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Old 28th February 2018, 19:30
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Re: First Yak9 shot down

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in the log of combat operations and the journal of combat losses of the 3rd Guards IAD ml.lt. V. Gnatenko in the last mission was on Yak-1.
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Then a mistake in operational reports. However, a handful of Yak-9s participated in this mission, loss report can clear this up if exists.
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Old 28th February 2018, 21:36
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Then a mistake in operational reports. However, a handful of Yak-9s participated in this mission, loss report can clear this up if exists.
Perhaps there is a mistake somewhere. In that flight there were 8 Yak-9 and 6 Yak-1. The loss of two Yak-1 (lt. Gnatenko and st.lt. Garam).

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Comrade suggested that there are other documents (mainly 1 Guards IAK), which indicates a slightly different information (on the number of missions, composition and fights), but in what fight and on which plane was the loss of lt. Gnatenko there is no single-valued data. St.Lt Garam returned the next day with the plane.

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Old 1st March 2018, 03:39
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Re: First Yak9 shot down

Hi folks,
Here are some Yak-9 losses from the first 2 batches of the Novosibirsk Factory No.153 in 1943 that I know of. As you see, the 16 VA, 273 IAD regiments (IAPs) had significant losses in early July, 1943, yet all of these losses were suffered later than eg. the ones of the 91st IAP still in June.

Yak-9, S/N: 0115322 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 347 IAP, shot down on July 6, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0115365 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 347 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215321 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 347 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215335 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 157 IAP, shot down on July 6, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215338 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 163 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215346 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 163 IAP, shot down on July 6, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215359 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 347 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215361 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 157 IAP, shot down on July 6, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215374 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 347 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215386 - 3 VA, 256 IAD, 91 IAP, shot down on November 6, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215389 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 157 IAP, shot down on July 7, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215392 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 163 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215395 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 163 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215397 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 163 IAP, destroyed on the ground on July 5, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215398 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 163 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943
.................................................. .................................................. ......
Yak-9, S/N: 0315301 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 347 IAP, shot down on July 7, 1943
...etc.

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Old 1st March 2018, 04:08
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Re: First Yak9 shot down

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Hi folks,
Here are some Yak-9 losses from the first 2 batches of the Novosibirsk Factory No.153 in 1943 that I know of. As you see, the 16 VA, 273 IAD regiments (IAPs) had significant losses in early July, 1943, yet all of these losses were suffered later than eg. the ones of the 91st IAP still in June.

Yak-9, S/N: 0115322 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 347 IAP, shot down on July 6, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0115365 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 347 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215321 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 347 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215335 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 157 IAP, shot down on July 6, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215338 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 163 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215346 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 163 IAP, shot down on July 6, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215359 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 347 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215361 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 157 IAP, shot down on July 6, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215374 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 347 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215386 - 3 VA, 256 IAD, 91 IAP, shot down on November 6, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215389 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 157 IAP, shot down on July 7, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215392 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 163 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215395 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 163 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215397 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 163 IAP, destroyed on the ground on July 5, 1943
Yak-9, S/N: 0215398 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 163 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943
.................................................. .................................................. ......
Yak-9, S/N: 0315301 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 347 IAP, shot down on July 7, 1943
...etc.

Gabor
Hi Gabor, do you have names of the pilots for these losses that you might share with us?
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Old 1st March 2018, 04:17
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Re: First Yak9 shot down

There are many names by date and regiments, but I cannot match them to the listed Yak serials, only as a small group of the potential pilots.
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Old 1st March 2018, 04:38
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There are many names by date and regiments, but I cannot match them to the listed Yak serials, only as a small group of the potential pilots.
That would certainly be helpful if you would be so kind as to share what you do have
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Old 1st March 2018, 11:55
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Re: First Yak9 shot down

Hi folks,

Finally I was able to match most of the pilot names to their lost Yak-9s. Note, that these planes were mainly lost in the hottest dogfights over the Kursk area:

Yak-9, S/N: 0115322 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 347 IAP, shot down on July 6, 1943, pilot: мл.л-т Ивилев Тимофей Степанович (KIA)
Yak-9T, S/N: 0115360 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 163 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943, pilot: л-т Свитнев Николай Петрович, bailed out
Yak-9T, S/N: 0115365 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 347 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943, pilot: м-р Плотников Владимир Михайлович (KIA)
Yak-9, S/N: 0215321 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 347 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943, pilot: л-т Кулиняк Семен Устинович (MIA)
Yak-9, S/N: 0215335 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 157 IAP, shot down on July 6, 1943, pilot: гв.к-н Морозов Иван Андреевич (KIFA)
Yak-9D, S/N: 0215338 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 163 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943, pilot: мл.л-т Дружинин Александр Федорович (MIA)
Yak-9D, S/N: 0215346 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 163 IAP, shot down on July 6, 1943, pilot: с-т Талышев
Yak-9D, S/N: 0215359 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 347 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943, pilot: мл.л-т Николаенко Василий Никифорович, returned
Yak-9D, S/N: 0215361 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 157 IAP, shot down on July 6, 1943, pilot: мл.л-т Архиреев Григорий Данилович (MIA)
Yak-9D, S/N: 0215374 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 347 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943, pilot: мл.л-т Скобелев Михаил Дмитриевич (MIA)
Yak-9D, S/N: 0215386 - 3 VA, 256 IAD, 91 IAP, shot down on November 6, 1943
Yak-9D, S/N: 0215389 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 157 IAP, shot down on July 7, 1943, pilot: л-т Тимофеенко Владимир Федорович, returned
Yak-9D, S/N: 0215392 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 163 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943, pilot: мл.л-т Павленко Адам Андреевич
Yak-9D, S/N: 0215395 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 163 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943, pilot: л-т Голяцкий Алексей Федотович, bailed out (KIA)
Yak-9D, S/N: 0215397 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 163 IAP, destroyed on the ground on July 5, 1943, pilot: мл.л-т Мотяш Анатолий Семенович (KIA)
Yak-9D, S/N: 0215398 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 163 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943, pilot: ст.с-т Собур Леонтий Герасимович, returned
Yak-9, S/N: 0315301 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 347 IAP, shot down on July 7, 1943, pilot: мл.л-т Ванышев Иван Васильевич (MIA)
Yak-9, S/N: 0315329 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 347 IAP, shot down on July 6, 1943, pilot: мл.л-т Пенкин Виктор Федорович
Yak-9, S/N: 0315390 - 16 VA, 273 IAD, 347 IAP, shot down on July 5, 1943, pilot: мл.л-т Остапенко Алексей Ефимович (MIA)

Ref.:

ЦАМО, Ф. 6-го иак. Оп. 1. Д. 6., Л. 1–77,
ЦАМО, Ф. 157 иап. Оп. 429906, Д. 1., Л. 55,
ЦАМО, Ф. 163 иап. Оп. 700461, Д. 1., Л. 33–39,
ЦАМО, Ф. 347 иап. Оп. 239656, Д. 1., Л. 36–40,
ЦАМО, Ф. 347 иап. Оп. 487045, Д. 1., Л. 1, 2.

I hope this helps.
Gabor
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Old 1st March 2018, 12:16
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Re: First Yak9 shot down

Dear Gabor,

Please write a goddamn book about all this one day. Do not let your research and knowledge be wasted.
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Old 1st March 2018, 12:25
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Re: First Yak9 shot down

Gabor:
Yak-9D, S/N: 0215386 - 3 VA, 256 IAD, 91 IAP, shot down on November 6, 1943
Previous thread gave us these details, if it helps...
91 IAP lost Yaks of Mayor Aleksandr Sergeevich Romanenko (attributed to AAA, possibly friendly), pilot Grevtzov and (Lt. Mikhail Mikhaylovich?) Shilov

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http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=34143
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Dear Gabor,

Please write a goddamn book about all this one day. Do not let your research and knowledge be wasted.
Can I also echo that ?

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