Two late war Bf109 to id - photo.

[KrisJG3]

Dears ,

Could you try id two photos with Bf109:

1) Werk Nr.: 332579 , 'Schwarze 15', and next with 'M'
http://img807.imageshack.us/img807/8...g53incolor.jpg

2) Bf109 in the forest - with pilot:
http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109G/B...te-1945-03.jpg

Acc. 1)Auf dem Flugplatz in Schleißheim stehen einige Bf 109 die auf Ihre Verschrottung warten.Im Vordergrund steht die Bf 109 K-4 "Schwarze 15" des JG 53 mit der Werknummer 332579. Sommer 1945
Source: http://www.living-history-1945.de/in...emart&Itemid=4
Do you know pilot name this Bf with Werk Nr.: 332579 ?

Acc.2) ....????

Best regards,

Kris

[Khorat]

#2, a well known photo -if I´m right the autor of several books - in one of this is the above shown photo - and it just looks like a copy out of a book - is also a member of this forum, maybe he will answer.

khorat

[KrisJG3]

Here is one of the nearest Werk Nr. to :
Bf 109 K-4 "Schwarze 15" des JG 53 mit der Werknummer 332579
see:
09/03/45 Ofhr. Helmut Moll 11./JG 3 Bf 109 K-4 (Werk Nr.:332546) Yellow 4 + | Combat with LaGG-5, 15 km SE. Stettin
or
09/02/45 Uffz. Josef Neufels 10./JG 77 Bf 109 K-4 (Werk Nr.: 332555) Red 5 Free chase, near Bielitz / Schwarzwasser

Do you know Hersteller / Producer name for all above aircrafts Bf109 K-4 ?

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By the way I looking for pictures of Bf109 G-10 with serial Werk Nr. 490XXX from Hersteller/Fabrik: Erla Leipzig , can I ask about links to photos ?

Have somebody of you photo with ( or antother Bf109G-10 Werk Nr.490xxx from Erla belong to JG3 ???):

''...So gibt es das Foto der Bf 109G-10, W.Nr.490629, "gelbe 7", der 7./JG 3 von Lt.Werner Petereit in Garz (11.März 1945) ...''

Sorceurl: []http://www.jg300.de/me109g-10erla.html[/url]

Have you contact to right person ? - I need information about camufflage/painting of aircrafts made by Erla Leipzig with Wherk Nr.490130-490399 delivered to JG3 in (Sep./Oct.) the end 1944.

Erla production :
490130 – 490399 : Bf109 G10 (Sept –Oct 44)
490400 – 490799 : Bf109 G10R6 (Oct – Nov 44)
491100 – 491500 : Bf109 G10R6 (Dec 44 – Jan 45)
Source: http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/articles/g10/g10.htm

Here is the nearest Werk Nr. to 490362 - there is also Werknummer 490 632 both JG3 :

'...Flugzeugtyp: Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-10
Werknummer: 490 367
Kennung: „Weiße 1”
Motor: 1 flüssigkeitsgekühlter Zwölfzylinder hängender V-Motor Daimler Benz DB 605
Einheit: 1. Staffel / Jagdgeschwader 3 „Udet”
Startflughafen: Paderborn
Flugzeugführer: Feldwebel Günter Pfaucht ...'

Source: http://www.fliegerschicksale.de.tl/0...ember-1944.htm

''...Gegenstand dieses Beitrags ist eine interessante Diskussion zur Me 109G-10 (Erla-Prod.), die man 1945 in Kbely fand. Herr Poruba, Herr Meincke und BOBO haben diese Diskussion sachlich und überzeugend geführt. Das Ergebnis unserer Arbeit kann man jetzt in seinem Buch lesen:
Messerschmitt Bf 109G-10/U4, Produktion & Operational Service ...''

Source: http://www.jg300.de/me109g-10erla.html


How I can get contact with Thomas Poruba ?


Best regards,

Kris

[D.B. Andrus]

Kris

Tomas Poruba email address(from JaPo site):

poruba@japo.eu

HTH,

D.B.

[ouidjat]

Hello Kris,

- About JG 3's Bf 109G-10, there is one published by Hitchcock:
G-10. 3./JG3. 'Schwarze 7' 'Luisl'. WkNr.490708. Uffz. Franz Mörl. Eupen, 24 December 1944. And it's an Erla made.
With two other pictures found on eBay/Internet. You can find one or two threads in TOCH concerning this machine after eBay auction and some US veteran sites comments.

- About picture 2/ (your first post)
A Bf109G-14, 'Blaue 4' of 12./JG 53, W.Nr.462 789. Kirrlach, 13 January 1945.

Franck.

[KrisJG3]

Thanks for answer !

Kris

[Cpt_Farrel]

Another Erla built Bf109G-10 serving with II./JG3 was 490137. It was flown to Sweden by Waldemar Wagler of JG51 on April 24 1945, Wagler was supposed to have ferried this aircraft from Garz to his unit in the east but he chose to fly to Sweden and surrender instead.

From the photos it's obvious that the aircraft had belonged to JG3, based at Garz at the time.

Cheers / Anders

[KrisJG3]

So his BF 109 , looks like here:

http://www.google.pl/imgres?q=II./JG...r:17,s:0,i:125

[Cpt_Farrel]

That's the one, I'm on holiday now but if you're interested, I can send you some pictures and a profile I've done, I guess it would have to wait until August though... Meanwhile there's some stuff here although in Swedish. The pictures mostly show the aircraft repainted but the profile shows how it looked when it landed. That profile is by Claes Sundin, mine is similar and I agree with the colors but I'm somewhat sceptical about the yellow under cowling.

http://www.forcedlandingcollection.s...124-Bf109.html

[KrisJG3]

Yes , please sent to me photos.
We just now preparing copy of Bf109G-10 (small model) , Werk Nr.: 490362 , Erla production - from Stab I. , 2./JG3 , "Schwartz 9" , late war painting, which belong to Gunter Rabeler KIA 3.03.1945 on Pommeren.
I'm looking for all Erla Bf109G-10 with Werk Nr's.: 490130-490399 delivered to unit JG3 in Sep. - Oct. 1944.

All info. about painting and camufflage needed.
Looking on:
http://www.forcedlandingcollection.s...124-Bf109.html

and compering with wrack of Werk 490362 there is a lot of similar painting and colours !

Your photos have yellow painting under Main engine

Best regards,

Kris

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