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Bf 109 E-1s during the Battle of Britain
I am trying to figure out how large share of the Bf 109s that were of the E-1 model during the Battle of Britain.
Based on loss lists, I get the impression that at least one-fourth - maybe even as much as one-third - of all Bf 109s in the combat units at the English Channel were of the early E-1 model throughout the BoB. This assumption is reinfor4ced through the fact that although production of Bf 109 E-1 ceased in August 1940, no less than 100 of the 323 Bf 109s which were delivered to the combat units at the English Channel through September 1940 were of the early E-1 model. (Source: Prien et al, "Die Jagdfliegerverbände", Teil 4/II, p. 427.) It would be most appreciated if anyone has access to figures for the numbers of Bf 109 E-1s in service with frontline units at various stages during the Battle of Britain. |
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Re: Bf 109 E-1s during the Battle of Britain
Based on the losses, any damage, total 1100 bf109, from 1.july till 31.dec.40
E /to check after with wn/ 85 E-1 356 E-2.. 3 E-3 63 E-4 521 E-7 54 F-1 4 from 1.july to 15.sept. E 58 E-1 200 E-3 63 E-4 270 E-7 13 RT |
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Re: Bf 109 E-1s during the Battle of Britain
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RT, excuse me, I doubt the number of 1,100 Me 109/Bf's losses during July and December 1940. On which (presumptions) are that infos based on? And can you please clarify the the numbers of total losses and the nos. of damages? Cheers, Horst |
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Re: Bf 109 E-1s during the Battle of Britain
RT, yes, those figures are more or less in line with my material.
But to return to the main issue: It would be most appreciated if anyone has access to figures for the numbers of Bf 109 E-1s in service with frontline units at various stages during the Battle of Britain. |
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Re: Bf 109 E-1s during the Battle of Britain
Unfortunately all the unit equipment sheets i have seen so far do not detail the subtype of the aircraft in use.
Another pitfall is the conversion of E-1s to E-3/E-4s standard, i'm not so certain all reported E-1s losses were of un-upgraded a/c, it's highly possible that already upgraded E-1s had been reported as E-1 rather than E-4. I firmly believe that only detailled unit equipment sheets would provide an answer but as i said previously i'm still to see any. |
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Re: Bf 109 E-1s during the Battle of Britain
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For the period 1 July - 31 October 1940, the list of individual aircraft losses and casualty reports from the returns to the Generalquartiermeister consists of a total of 1 026 Bf 109 E. Of those, 138 are reported as simply "109 E". The number of specified aircraft subtypes are divided as follows: Bf 109 E-1: 337 Bf 109 E-2: 2 Bf 109 E-3: 59 Bf 109 E-4: 489 Bf 109 E-7: 60 Quote:
BTW - in my book on the Battle of Britain (which I just finished writing!), there will be detailed lists of every single aircraft loss on both sides during ther period 1 July - 31 October 1940. (Those lists will add much new to the lists previously published in "The BoB Then & Now, Mk V".) The book is scheduled to be published 3rd quarter 2006 - first in a Swedish edition, then probably in an English edition. |
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Re: Bf 109 E-1s during the Battle of Britain
The 25% to 33% ratio seems reasonable to me given the data i have at hands. And it is roughly the ratio of E-1 produced compared to the whole Emil production which is about 33% (including E-1/B).
Good news about the book, time for me to put my rusty Swedish to good use |
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Re: Bf 109 E-1s during the Battle of Britain
Okay, breaking the linguistical rules here - time for a lesson in Swedish:
Pratar du ärans och hjältarnas språk, svenska, olefebvre? (Translation into English: "Do you speak the language of honour and heroes, Swedish, olefebvre?") |
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Re: Bf 109 E-1s during the Battle of Britain
Actually i have not too much trouble reading it, but speaking and writing is out of my league. I'm able to understand a book like Nödlandning for instance, but of course with some troubles.
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Re: Bf 109 E-1s during the Battle of Britain
Horst,
Losses come from Gen.verl.meld. nd break down is as follow, under 50 % 280 50 % to 98 % /sorry no losses at 99 %/ 170 100 % 600 balance unknown % but gen ger. to give truth to these figures the pilots killed or v.misst are ...160 killed+ 330 missing E-1, we could find very late with LG2/SG1, nd in march/april 41 still in front line, against britain with JG51, JG54, JG3, last 12 nov. with JG54, in Siverskaya.. |
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