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New Military History Blog - first post about loss of Ju 188 in the East in 1944
At long last and while addressing many other concerns, I have started a new blog where I will write about military history and aerial warfare from the beginning of the twentieth century to the present day https://airlandbattle.wordpress.com/ My first post concerns the loss of a Ju 188 on the Eastern front in 1944. Starting with the information that Matti and Gerhard made available on this forum, I have been able to identify the Soviet fighter unit that shot it down. https://airlandbattle.wordpress.com/...and-a-comment/ Some of the comments that I made in this post follow-up on my research paper dating from December 2016 Comments, criticism and further information from members are most welcome Regards, Dan
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My research paper - How were German air force resources distributed between different fronts in the years 1941 to 1943 - http://www.ww2.dk/Luftwaffe Research.html |
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Re: New Military History Blog - first post about loss of Ju 188 in the East in 1944
Dan, Hi
You have put a load of stuff out there. As you doubtless know, no response is often a good response. It is like giving a dinner party and once the main course is out there, silence descends and all you hear is eating. You'll get something soon -otherwise we've become a pack of lightweights! ChrisG |
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Re: New Military History Blog - first post about loss of Ju 188 in the East in 1944
Hello! I know same russian pilot’s who shot down these planes, I wrote about them with my article on air defense in Belarus in 1944. Dmitry Kienko, Minsk Belarus, (almer@tut.by)
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Re: New Military History Blog - first post about loss of Ju 188 in the East in 1944
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Thank you for your kind response. I think it is a pity that many of the most knowledgeable members of the forum have moved further into the background. It does make things a little frustrating, but positive comments from people like you are very welcome! Hello Dmitry, Happy to see your interest! I have replied to your comment on the blog.
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Re: New Military History Blog - first post about loss of Ju 188 in the East in 1944
Hello Dan,
Your comment at the end of the article ignores many other issues. In the East, depending on location, 50 to 60 tons of supplies had to be flown in daily. The transports were sometimes shot down or crashed in reasonably good shape but were no longer airworthy, or were later destroyed on the ground. The Americans and British were not always in agreement. This was not a war of straight mathematics but a very large number of factors. Everyone was clamoring for priority of some kind: conflicts over who gets more fuel for American or British tanks and so on. The war in the air was part of the war on the ground. Again, mistakes were made, by both sides, or depended on the changing war situation. Allocations were not made by the numbers but depended on what was available. The Battle for France saw - with all due respect - lesser British aircraft being sacrificed to a superior German fighter force. A bullet by bullet, engine by engine comparison is too narrow. Best, Ed |
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Re: New Military History Blog - first post about loss of Ju 188 in the East in 1944
Hello Ed,
Thank you for your response. I have to say that your comment is rather confused, because you did not select a clear main theme for your critique. I will reply to what is the central point of your argument: Quote:
In the case of this Ju 188 loss, Germany developed a relatively advanced aircraft very late in the war and deployed it in a way which rendered it vulnerable to much less complicated Soviet aircraft. It is clear that this was an example of resource misallocation and one which reflected very broad trends within the German war effort. Instead of addressing the problem presented here, that Germany was producing the wrong aircraft for the wrong reasons and thereby weakening its own air force, you have suggested that the point I make is too narrowly drawn. I cannot agree. The Ju 188 is a small but useful illustration of the fact that the Nazi leadership did not adequately manage Germany's small resource base, which hastened German defeat. Regards, Dan
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My research paper - How were German air force resources distributed between different fronts in the years 1941 to 1943 - http://www.ww2.dk/Luftwaffe Research.html |
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Re: New Military History Blog - first post about loss of Ju 188 in the East in 1944
Hello Dan,
Your analysis lacks depth. The Americans and British were quite worried about advanced German designs entering service. Best, Ed |
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Re: New Military History Blog - first post about loss of Ju 188 in the East in 1944
Did a brief look at writing. Saw no reason comment. Comparision of Fronts is quite skewed: Not same Geology, not same opponents, not same tech backup, not same support or effort etc. etc. Brute attrition on ALL fronts combined is what really happened. No, sorry, this paper seems have no practical use.
And you source Ju 188 references from Medcalf books. Which can be written hundred of pages of, of how bad it is. On this forum was a flaming war, where most knowlegeful writers expressed their opinion: Bad. And then some of this backed away, outraged on hov some not-neutral persion attacked THE main expert. The books still are bad after three years. Having studied this subject since the 1990s, and have plowed thrugh the the same Washington Archive-fields, even worse. http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...hlight=Medcalf http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...hlight=Medcalf Both threads have valuable points, but the author never ever tried defend his writing. Its a flop. But you may notice had had another less visible author with him. But they just exposed how bad the "Luftwaffe as an Gold Goose market" publishing scene has become. Thinner text (no new research, endless recycling). Darker drawings. Larger photos (done over and over to death). And dosens of new experts every year pop up, but when asked on Spanish Bf 109 G-6, none exists (two knew about it but had not details, two had details). But world record in bad books still is held by Kagero. They print seemingly high quality drawings of Ju 88 A-17, and the famous "A-0", that just not were that. |
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Re: New Military History Blog - first post about loss of Ju 188 in the East in 1944
Ed,
Your view is not quite correct: Quote:
Regards, Dan
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My research paper - How were German air force resources distributed between different fronts in the years 1941 to 1943 - http://www.ww2.dk/Luftwaffe Research.html |
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Re: New Military History Blog - first post about loss of Ju 188 in the East in 1944
Hello Ed,
I am sorry that you did not look at Tables 13 and 14 in my longer work, they definitely contradict your judgment: Quote:
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Regards, Dan
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My research paper - How were German air force resources distributed between different fronts in the years 1941 to 1943 - http://www.ww2.dk/Luftwaffe Research.html |
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