Arado 234 losses KG76

[steve sheridan]

Hi, can anybody help with details of a/c identities and circumstances, surrounding the loss of 3 pilots killed flying the Arado 234 "Blitz" bomber late 1944-45

Uffz Karl Dorn III/ KG76
Fw Ernst Hilsmann "
Uffz Berthold Nagel 6/KG76

Any help would be most appreciated.

Steve.

[Brian Bines]

Steve this is what I have:-

1. Uffz Karl Dorn born 10-1-1921 killed on 23-12-1944 Buckau bei Magdeburg in Arado 234 140319 F1+OR of 7/KG76 while on Uberfuhrungflug.
2. Fw.Ernst Hilsmann born 31-1-1921 killed on 31-12-1944 at Grabow 4Km east of Fl.H. Burg in Arado 234 140352 of 7/KG76 on Uberfuhrungflug Grossenhein to Burg
3. Uffz Berthold Nagel born 24-1-1920 badly injured on 9-1-1945 Flg.H.Burg in Arado234 B-2 140345 F1+RP of 6/KG76 while on Uberfuhrungflug nach Burg bei Magdeburg,

Regards

Brian Bines

[steve sheridan]

Brian many thanks for the info. could i ask if Uberfuhrungflug roughly translates as " Overland flight " ?

Also i have come across another document that states W.Nr 140319 was coded F1+DR.

Best regs,
Steve.

[Brian Bines]

Steve , You may well be right with F1+DR my record is quite poor and hard to read in places, it looks like 'O' but I cannot be certain. Fw Hilsmann's aircraft markings are really hard to make out which is why I made no attempt to indicate them.
As regards Uberfuhrungflug I believe this is a non operational training flight perhape to achieve a pass rating to fly an aircraft type. Perhaps someone with a better understanding of German could help,

Regards

Brian Bines

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by steve sheridan

Brian many thanks for the info. could i ask if Uberfuhrungflug roughly translates as " Overland flight "?

Überführungsflug translates as ferry flight.

Überlandsflug (which does appear in log books sometimes) is a cross-country flight.

[steve sheridan]

Many thanks Brian/ Nick for your comments on the translation.
This helps very much.

Best regs,
Steve.

[John Manrho]

The Namentliche Verlustmeldung of Uffz. Dorn clearly states F1+OR. Hillsmann Namentliche Verlustmeldung is unreadable.

Cheers,

John.

[Brian Bines]

Thanks John my copy is not so clear,

Regards

Brian Bines

[Stig Jarlevik]

Well Guys

Clear or not clear, two second hand sources (books) claims two different things.
Monogram Ar 234 by Smith/Creek: F1+DR
Motorbuch Ar 234 by Griehl: F1+OR

Obviously whatever documents are left to for us to interpret there are various interpretations....

Cheers
Stig

[steve sheridan]

John and Stig, thank you both for your contributions, this still remains it appears, clouded in mystery?

John could i speak to you regarding the Einsatzstatistik of Eins.st KG76
off board?

Best regs,
Steve.