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Old 23rd January 2010, 17:23
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Obstlt. Fritz Kohler and Maj. Rudolf Loytued

Guys,

Does anyone have any information on these two officers.

They have been mentioned in the following thread - He 111 H Model marked "Montdidier 1941" - on the Luftwaffedata Forums.

I have found an Obslt Franz Köhler as commander of both Luftnachrichten-Regiment 1 and Luftgau-Nachrichten-Regiment 1 at various dates in 1940 and 41.

To be fair there may not be a connection with the model but.....

If anyone could make a suggestion regarding the origin of the model both Paul (the owner) and I would be grateful.
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Old 23rd January 2010, 20:11
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Re: Obstlt. Fritz Kohler and Maj. Rudolf Loytued

The connection between KG 1 and these two officers in 1941 is the northern sector of the Eastern Front. KG 1, Luftgau-Nachr.Rgt 1 and Stab/Luftflotte 1 were all there together. There is nothing readily apparent that seems to connect them all to Montdidier in 1941. We have 7 Fritz Köhlers in the deZeng/Stankey data base and none fit this puzzle. Only Franz Köhler fits.

KÖHLER, Franz. 26.08.39 Obstlt., appt Kdr. Ln.-Abt. (H) (mot) 3 (to 07.12.39). 06.40 Obstlt., Kdr. Ln.-Rgt. 1 (to 22.06.40). 22.06.40 appt Kdr. Lg.Nachr.Rgt. 1 (to 01.03.41). 01.11.41 promo to Oberst (Ln.). 29.06.43 Oberst and provisional Nafü/Luftgaukdo. VIII, appt permanent Nafü/Luftgaukdo. VIII. 04.45 Oberst, in 6./Lg.Nachr.Rgt. 17.

LOYTVED-HARDEGG, Rudolf. (DOB: 17.07.05). (i.G.). 01.04.25 entered service with the Heer (Infanterie). 01.10.30 to Fliegerschule Böblingen for pilot training (to 31.01.31). 01.10.32 to Lipetsk/Russia for flight training (to 31.05.33). 01.03.34 trf to the Luftwaffe and assigned to the Hauptbildstelle/RLM. 01.07.34 trf to Aufkl.Gr. 121 (Neuhausen) as Bild-Offz. and Staffel-Führer. 04.10.35 certified fluent in English. 17.09.36 appt Staka Aufkl.St. (H) 88 (Legion Condor). 01.03.37 trf to Aufkl.Gr. 22 (Prenzlau). 16.02.38 Generalstab training at the Luftkriegsakademie Berlin-Gatow (to 30.06.38). 01.07.38 appt Ia op 1 in Stab/Luftgaukdo. XIII (Nürnberg). 02.09.39 Hptm., appt Ia/Luftgaukdo. VIII. 01.11.39 Hptm., trf into the Generalstab d.Lw. 15.03.40 appt Ic in Stab/Gen.d.Lw. beim Ob.d.H. 15.06.40 Maj., appt Kdr. Aufkl.Gr. 122 (to 04.03.41). 05.03.41 appt Ic in Stab/Luftflotte 1. 29.12.41 trf to Ob.d.L./RLM pool but ordered to remain in present position to 31.01.42. 01.04.42 appt Gruppenleiter in Abt. für Wehrmacht Propaganda/OKW. 01.01.43 promo to Obstlt. 15.01.43 appt Qu. in Stab/IV. Lw.-Feldkorps. 01.03.44 trf to XI. Fliegerkorps for further assignment. 08.44 appt Kdr. Fsch.Jg.Rgt. Loytved-Hardegg (to 09.10.44). 09.10.44 appt Kdr. Fsch.Jg.Rgt. 21 (to c.01.45). 01.04.45 promo to Oberst.

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Old 23rd January 2010, 20:55
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Re: Obstlt. Fritz Kohler and Maj. Rudolf Loytued

Larry,

Many thanks to yourself and Doug for the information.

I did not make the connection between Loytued and LOYTVED-HARDEGG and the then connection to Stab.(F)/122. Doh!

I will pass the information on to the owner of the model.
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Re: Obstlt. Fritz Kohler and Maj. Rudolf Loytued

Hello

It seems that this model was a gift to many officers at Montdidier (ebay item sold many years ago)



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Re: Obstlt. Fritz Kohler and Maj. Rudolf Loytued

Pilot2,

Many thanks for this additional piece of information.

I will pass this on to Paul (the owner of the other example).
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