Jagdwaffe's Opponents in the Polish Campaign

[Nick Hector]

Hi guys,

Seeking contact from any experts on the Polish campaign to answer the following queries I have:

1) Lt. Gerhard Boehmel of 2/ZG 76 claimed a PZL P.24 (likely actually a P.11) on September 2nd, 1939. I believe this was an aircraft of 161 EM, can anyone add any further details?

2) The following day, Uffz. Rudolf Kobert of I/LG 1 claimed a a PZL P.24 (likely actually a P.11 as well). Has his opponent been traced?

3) Are there any known details of the crew of the 22 EB P.23 Karas that Karl-Gottfried Nordmann claimed as a "P.43" on the 3rd of September? All I know is that the aircraft overturned during the subsequent forced landing.

4) I know that 212 EB suffered four losses in combat with I/ZG 52 on September 4th. Are details of the crews known?

Many thanks in advance.

Nick

[Peter S]

161st Eskadra lost two pilots:
ppor. Edward Kramarski, killed
ppor. Piotr Ruszel, killed
ppor. Jan Dzwonek, wounded
pchor. Wieslaw Choms, safe





a. 211 EB, PZL.37A bis Los no. 72.18, crew: por.obs. Boleslaw Gorniak (killed), kpr. A/G W/Op Jozef Puchala (killed);
b. 212 EB, PZL.37B Los, no.72.91, crew: por.obs. Mieczyslaw Bykowski (killed), kpr. A/G W/Op Lucjan Zimmerman (killed), krp. A/G W/Op Marian Gargol (killed), kpr. pil. Kazimierz Kaczmarek (safe);
c.212 EB, PZL.37 A bis Los no. 72-43, crew: por.obs. Witold Zukowski (killed), sierz.pil. Jozef Siwik (killed), kpr. A/G W/Op Wladyslaw D.Kramarczyk (killed), st.szer. A/G W/Op Aleksander Stepniowski (killed);
d.212 EB, PZL.37B Los no.72-111, crew: kpr. A/G W/Op Wladyslaw Wojdat, por. obs. Jan K. Lekszycki (killed), ppor. pil. Michal Ostrowski (wounded).
e. 212 EB, PZL.37 Los, no.72-16, crew: ppor.obs.Dzik (wounded),pchor.pil.Mazak (wounded), kpr. A/G Danielak (safe), kpr. A/G Golebiowski (safe).

[Nick Hector]

Hi Peter S,

Many thanks for your quick and comprehensive reply. Please allow me to clarify: there were five losses, therefore, and not only four as I had originally believed?

Nick

[Peter S]

Nick

212 EB claimed four.

[Nick Hector]

How silly of me: 212 EB suffered four losses and 211 EB suffered one loss.
Could 211 EB's loss be the one claimed by Lt. Helmut Fahlbusch of 2/ZG 76?

[Peter S]

As far as I know 211 EB's Los was shot down by ZG 2

[Peter S]

Originally Posted by Nick Hector

1) Lt. Gerhard Boehmel of 2/ZG 76 claimed a PZL P.24 (likely actually a P.11) on September 2nd, 1939. I believe this was an aircraft of 161 EM, can anyone add any further details?

Nick, I would say plut. Marian Domagala (safe)

[Peter S]

Originally Posted by Nick Hector

3) Are there any known details of the crew of the 22 EB P.23 Karas that Karl-Gottfried Nordmann claimed as a "P.43" on the 3rd of September? All I know is that the aircraft overturned during the subsequent forced landing.

plut. pilot Czeslaw Hlawiczka (safe)
kpr. A/G Andrzej Ustupski (killed), he claimed E/A before he died
ppor. obs. Tadeusz Kalinowski (DoW on 18th Sept)

[Nick Hector]

On September 5th, Hannes Trautloft claimed a "PZL P.43" that has been matched to the loss of a P.23B of 32 ER, whose crew were all KIA.
Are you able to help me with that one?

[Marius]

You will find a lot of information in my 3 books "Luftwaffe nad Polska 1939" (Armagedon) published in Poland so far.