Bf109E W.Nr2023

[markjsheppard]

Hi all,

Having seen the photo of the tail of Bf109E 2023 on the recent ebay auction and which was sold on Friday for 262 Euros!, I thought I would ask whether any more background information is available on 2023 since it was reported in 1999 following recovery.

I have it down as an Erla Built machine built in 1940.

So possible additional information that might now be known.

What was the production block in which 2023 was manufactured.
Built as - E1 or E3?
A more accurate hand over date than 1940.
Stammkennzeichen?

Unfortunately did not win the photo but shows how just a single photo can suddenly double the amount of information/history on an airframe.

Before that photo, we know 2023 was lost with JG5 in 1942 but of course nothing from 1940. All owners seem to want the Battle of Britain history for obvious reasons.

Have been asked to do the same for 3523 - so would love to see a photo of this airframe! Nothing else has come up.

regards

Mark

[ouidjat]

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...highlight=2023

[markjsheppard]

Know the link - that is what prompted me. Does not answer any of the questions though!

Mark

[ouidjat]

1980 to 2063. I have no year.
E-4 and E-4/Bs
No Stkz known though 2012 is TH+CL (LEMB Stkz data)
Bert Hartmann is giving TH+CA to TH+CF and TH+CL no WNr. given. and only TH+CL as E-4 others E only without subtype indication.
Enough?
I Forgot:
http://www.stammkennzeichen.de/
and
http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/stammkennzeichen.html
very useful links!

[ouidjat]

Dead end?

[markjsheppard]

Franck,

Not really - whole new history to add/write about.

There is no other damage listings for 2023. Overhauled and upgraded. Off to JG5.

Will ask Finnish friend if there is any listings for TH+C flying through Finnish airspace in 42.

regards

Mark

[markjsheppard]

Thanks to Kari, we have TH+CX flying through Finnish airspace in April 1942 so this is likely to be 2023.

regards

Mark

[ouidjat]

Ah!
If TH+CL is 2012 as pretended here http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/stam-t.html
and
if the serie is complete then 2023 must be TH+CW not TH+CX; then 2024.

Regards, Franck.

[markjsheppard]

Franck

Understand that but cannot be 2024.

29th Oct 1940
Recovered from the crashsite of BF109E-4 werk No 2024 that was shot down by Sgt Burgess of 222 squadron and crashed at Sheerlands Farm, Pluckley, Kent.
The aircraft 2024 was Bf 109 E-4/B, 'Yellow 6' flown by the Staffelkapitan of 3./Erprobungsgruppe 210, Oberleutnant Otto Hintze

The Finnish records are very good for recording W.Nr or Skz movements and TH+CX fits the time line as well.

regards

Mark

[ouidjat]

Ah,

if so what's the StKz for 2024?
Because if I understand you well you just resume years of reseaches in three posts.
Were are these remarquable finnish records no one dare to use until today to complete their lists?

Don't worry I'm not one of these researchers, it's just a question of curiosity. I suppose, too, there is no mistake at all in the said records ...

Tschüss, Franck.