Hannes Trautloft and Karl Fuchs' victories 9.3.42 - Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum

Nick Hector · #1 15th December 2012, 23:55

On 9.3.42, Hannes Trautloft and Karl Fuchs claimed victories over I-16s at 1020 and 1030 respectively. Were these from 728 IAP, whose Starshina Alexander Yevdokimovich Novikov HSU & OL, was KIA and possibly the aircraft of Starshiy Serzhant Igor Kustov was badly damaged?

Nokose · #2 16th December 2012, 21:47

Trauloft's claim is probably one of the I-16's from the 4 GIAP KBF since it was in the Luyban region. Ml. Lt. Iosif Denisovich Yulymov of the 4 GIAP KBF was last seen heading NW of Zenino on that date (Don't have the time of the mission) in his I-16. Zenino is to the NE of Luyban.

Nick Hector · #3 17th December 2012, 04:52

Many thanks, Nokose.

Is it known what caused the 728 IAP losses in any case?

Nick

Nokose · #4 17th December 2012, 07:00

Nick, since Novikov was shot down in the Cholm (Kholm) region in an air battle and I don't have the time its hard to tell. From just looking it appears that one of the German pilots misid'ed his I-16 as an I-61. So it was someone from 7./JG 3 or 5./JG 51 on escort duty to Cholm.

Nick Hector · #5 17th December 2012, 07:10

Thanks for the info!
Say, I hope the JG 54 vs 8th AAF info I posted was of use or interest to you...

christian · #6 17th December 2012, 18:55

Hi

Trautlofts claim was a I-16 with ski. He see the plane over the Wolchow and after two attack crash the plane near the street Tschudowo-Ljuban, the pilot was killed.

Greetings Christian

Nick Hector · #7 17th December 2012, 23:29

Thanks Christian,

Does anyone know if the fact that the I-16 had skis would change its type-designation in any way? i.e. I-16 type x or something?

Nick

Juha · #8 18th December 2012, 11:30

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Originally Posted by Nick Hector

...Does anyone know if the fact that the I-16 had skis would change its type-designation in any way? i.e. I-16 type x or something?

Nick

To my knowledge, no. The skis wereused only at winter, so it was only an alternative landing gear, on other times these planes used normal landing gear with wheels. All captions I recall only says e.g. "I-16 Type 17 with ski undercarriage"

Juha

Nick Hector · #9 19th December 2012, 04:29

Many thanks, Juha. I had a feeling that was how it worked but you never know until you ask.

Nick