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19.09.42, Kotluban, LaGG-3 vs Bf110 of 1./ZG1
Greetings!
Found very impressive account. Anatoly Nikolayevich Gordeev, pilot of 291 iap, equipped with LaGG-3 (armed with 37mm cannon Sh-37) Quote:
Major Lev Binov (Komissar of Squadron) - claimed 1 "bomber"/Me-110, landed damaged out of ammo. Major Denisov - claimed 1 "bomber"/Me-110, was shot down by either Lt. R.Ossmann or Lt. P.Jenne of 1./ZG1 and killed. Sergeant Mamatov - was shot down, later returned Sergeant Nikolay Nekipelov - killed. Sergeant Pavel Martchenko - killed. One of them Was shot down by either Lt. R.Ossmann or Lt. P.Jenne of 1./ZG1, and second - was killed when rammed Bf110 of Oblt. Theo Kehl. I dont know how many Ju88 of KG51 were lost, but pilots of 291 iap were able to shot down one more Bf110 of 1./ZG1 to 100% loss. After all, only 6 their claims were filled as "confirmed" to them. Also, we must note that soviet pilots misidentified "twin-engined bomber" (Ju88) and "twinengined fighter" (Bf110) during that aircombat.
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Re: 19.09.42, Kotluban, LaGG-3 vs Bf110 of 1./ZG1
Here are the Ju 88 losses from the East on 19-Sep. No KG 51 losses.
Ju 88A-4, 5865, Schönthaler, Fw. Kurt, , III., 8., KG 76, , , , , 19-Sep-42, WIA due to enemy fighters. Bf also WIA., , Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.11, , PlQu. 49 184, 100%, F, Bf Uffz. Karl Leupold, , Ju 88A-4, 6676, Kienberger, Ofw. Heinrich, , I., 1., KG 3, , , , , 19-Sep-42, WIA due to Flak. Notlandung. Bf also WIA., F DKiG., Lw.Kdo.Ost/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.11, , PlQu. 47 761, 100%, F, Bf Uffz. Herbert Meilinger, , Ju 88A-4, 8660, Seliger, Uffz. Horst, , II., 5., KG 54, , B3+IN, , , 19-Sep-42, MIA with crew due to Flak. Sortie to railway at Welikije-Luki., Coded 'B3+FN' per Radtke., Lw.Kdo.Ost/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.11; Radtke, KG 54, p.301, 356, , bei Welikije-Luki (PlQu. 67 82), 100%, F, B Ogefr. Ludwig Wienold, Bf Ogefr. Walter Wille & Bs Ogefr. Georg Deist, , Ju 88A-14, 144155, WEIBLE, Ofw. Ernst, , II., 5., KG 54, , B3+AN, , , 19-Sep-42, Flak. B & Bs KIA. Sortie to railway at Welikije-Luki., F RK. 100% per Radtke., Lw.Kdo.Ost/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.11; Radtke, KG 54, p.301, 356, , Eisenbahn Welikije-Luki (PlQu. 67 82), 10%, F, B Uffz. Günther Hellinger & Bs Uffz. Erich Becker, , Ju 88C-6, 360029, n.n., , III., , KG 76, , , , , 19-Sep-42, Enemy fighters., , Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.11, , PlQu. 49 184, 40%, F, , , And the 110 losses per the GQM and John Vasco: Bf 110F-2, 2681, n.n., , II., 4., ZG 1, , , , , 19-Sep-42, Enemy fighters., , Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.11; Vasco, The Sting of the LW, p.134, Mankau/Petrick, Messerschmitt Bf 110, Me 210 & Me 410, p.325, PlQu. 45 144, 50%, F, , , Gothaer Waggonfabrik AG at Gotha in Dec-41 Bf 110D-3, 3713, Söchtig, Uffz. Richard, , I., 1., ZG 1, weiße P, S9+PH, RB+GQ, , 19-Sep-42, Crew MIA due to Luftkampf with Soviet fighters., 18-Sep, coded 'S5+PH' per loss., Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.11; Vasco, The Sting of the LW, p.134, Menke, südlich Bahnhof Kotluban (PlQu. 39 221), 100%, F, Bf Uffz. Heinrich Diemer, , MIAG at Braunschweig in Nov-40 Bf 110F-2, 4541, Kehl, Oblt. Theo, , I., 1., ZG 1, weiße A, S9+AH, CE+UN, , 19-Sep-42, Stkp. MIA due to being rammed by a Soviet fighter. Bf KIA., , Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.11; Vasco, The Sting of the LW, p.134; Mankau/Petrick, Messerschmitt Bf 110, Me 210 & Me 410, p.325, , südlich Bahnhof Kotluban (PlQu. 49 123), 100%, F, Bf Fw. Alfred Daniger, , Luther Flzg.Werke at Braunschweig in Mar-42 |
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Re: 19.09.42, Kotluban, LaGG-3 vs Bf110 of 1./ZG1
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III./KG76 9.8.42 - 24.10.42 Tazinskaya Ju 88A 19-Sep-42 Ju 88A-4, W.Nr.5865, 8./KG 76, 100% WIA due to enemy fighters. Bf also WIA. PlQu. 49 184 http://www.mapquest.com/?q=48.791668,44.194448 Ju 88C-6, W.Nr.360029, III./KG 76, 40% Enemy fighters., PlQu. 49 184 http://www.mapquest.com/?q=48.791668,44.194448 Bf 110D-3, W.Nr.3713, 1./ZG 1, S9+PH, 100% Crew MIA due to Luftkampf with Soviet fighters. sudlich Bahnhof Kotluban (PlQu. 49 221) http://www.mapquest.com/?q=48.986112,43.694448 Bf 110F-2, W.Nr.4541, 1./ZG 1, S9+AH, 100% Crew MIA due to being rammed by a Soviet fighter. sudlich Bahnhof Kotluban (PlQu. 49 123) http://www.mapquest.com/?q=48.986112,44.305552 So, we have 4 losses for 6 claims. Nice rate.
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Re: 19.09.42, Kotluban, LaGG-3 vs Bf110 of 1./ZG1
Rather premature conclusions. 8 Ju-88s and 5 Me-110s were claimed by Soviet fighters within the day. Moreover, time of Ossmann and Jenne claims does not correspond the time of 291 IAP's combat.
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Re: 19.09.42, Kotluban, LaGG-3 vs Bf110 of 1./ZG1
Nikita - what was the time of 291 IAP combat?
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Re: 19.09.42, Kotluban, LaGG-3 vs Bf110 of 1./ZG1
Around 10.15-10.30 Moscow time.
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