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Old 12th June 2015, 21:45
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Me 262 WNr. 130177 lost 14 July 1944

Gentlemen,

There are conflicting accounts as to who crashed in this aircraft:

"... It (3./KG51) suffered its first loss four days later (14 July 1944) when Stabsfw. Mosbacher [sic] was killed when his aircraft, W. Nr. 130177, crashed into the Ammersee while making a practice bombing run ..."
- Smith & Creek, Me 262 Volume Two, (1998) p. 360.


"...130177 Call sign SQ+WP. Me 262 A-2a. Stabsflugfuhrer R. Mossbacher of Kommando Schenck (I./KG51) at Lechfeld, was killed in this aircraft on 14 July 1944 during a bomber training flight in the Ammersee area ... Conflicting information states the pilot was Uffz. Bentrott of 3./KG51 ..."
- O'Connell, Me 262 Production Log, (2005) p. 37.


"... The first known loss to be suffered be suffered by I./KG51 occurred on 14 July when the Me 262A-1a [sic] of Unteroffizier Walter Bentrott of 3. Staffel, assigned to Kommando Schenck, crashed in Lake Ammersee ..."
- Forsyth with Creek, Me 262 Bomber and Reconnaissance Units, (2012) p. 16.


I have two questions:

1. Which pilot crashed in WNr. 130177?

2. What was Mossbacher's first name?

Kind regards,

Jim Geens
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