Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces

Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the German Luftwaffe and the Air Forces of its Allies.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 7th July 2015, 04:03
kaki3152 kaki3152 is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,845
kaki3152 is an unknown quantity at this point
Ju88 P-1 Insignia

While going through my photo files, I found this photo of a Ju88 P-1 with an insignia. The insignia looks like a dagger through a turtle.

Is this the insignia of Panzerjaeger Staffel 92?

Last edited by kaki3152; 27th November 2015 at 16:57.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 7th July 2015, 05:35
G.R.Morrison G.R.Morrison is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: NH, USA
Posts: 455
G.R.Morrison
Re: Ju88 P-1 Insignia

Axel Urbanke wrote a two-page article in Luftwaffe im Focus No 6 which included three photos, including the one you posted. This Ju 88P belonged to the 3. Staffel of the "Versuchs Kommando für Panzerbekämpfung." This unit had no Einheitskennung, but used "H" as a Staffel-designator. +GH, +KH and +OH are known examples. The emblem, applied on both sides was a red turtle pierced by a sword.

This unit was disbanded in Oct. 1943 and the six aircraft transferred to III/KG 1 (Stab, 7. & 8. Staffeln).

GRM
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 7th July 2015, 14:18
Larry deZeng Larry deZeng is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,616
Larry deZeng will become famous soon enoughLarry deZeng will become famous soon enough
Re: Ju88 P-1 Insignia

Urbanke's research expands my work done in 2003:

Einsatzkommando Ju 88 (Pz.)


Formation and History. (Aug 43 - Oct 43)
Said to have been formed in August 1943, probably at Rechlin, as an operational test unit for the Ju 88P-1 equipped with the 75mm PaK 40L anti-tank gun, then moved to Flensburg shortly after formation. Nothing further is known about the unit, but the equipment (Ju 88P-1) and the location (Flensburg) provide a direct link to III./KG 1, which transferred from Seshchinskaya on the central sector of the Eastern Front to Flensburg without aircraft on 12 August 1943 to convert to Ju 88P-1s, although this project was cancelled in October before it could get off the ground.

L.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 7th July 2015, 14:41
edNorth edNorth is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,126
edNorth is on a distinguished road
Re: Ju88 P-1 Insignia

Versuchskommando für Panzerbekampfung
- Panzerjagerkommando Weiss

An experimental unit for tank fighting, formed in July 1942 under command of Major Hubertus Hitschold. It was based at Rechlin/ Roggenheim. A few Ju 88 P conversions were assigned to this unit in early 1943, along with other types. They tested the 50 mm BK 50, 75 mm BK 75 and 40 mm PaK 40 anti-tank cannons.
Operational elements were dispatched to the Eastern Front as Panzerjagerkommando Weiss in Spring of 1943. Commanded by Schlactflieger Major Otto Weiss. The Ju 88 P was soon rejected due to the 75 mm cannons tendency to crumple the nose and damaging the wooden propellors. Unit then used the Ju 87 D and Hs 129 B against Soviet armour. Parent unit at Rechlin was disbanded in June 1943 and the elements at the front dispersed to other units.
- Panzerjagerstaffel 92
Some Ju 88 P (Tank Busters) were pressed into service with this unit in 1943 for further experimentation. Intended to be operated in one Gruppe, this project came to nothing.

Aircraft operated (code unk):

..+GH Ju 88 P-1 xxx ......43 ( )
..+KH Ju 88 P-1 xxx ......43 ( )
..+OH Ju 88 P-1 xxx ......43 ( )

-Ed

Last edited by edNorth; 7th July 2015 at 22:59. Reason: correction
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 7th July 2015, 15:05
kaki3152 kaki3152 is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,845
kaki3152 is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Ju88 P-1 Insignia

Thanks to all. Now, I can identify the insignia
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
4.(S)/LG2 Insignia: background color, origins & relation to personal insignia of Adolf Galland Larry Hickey Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 29 9th August 2015 10:26
Seeking photos of Stab and 5./StG77 Ju87Bs showing the rabbit insignia during or after the Polish Campaign Larry Hickey Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 7 16th November 2011 22:13
Confirmation of insignia of 9./KG76 during the FC Larry Hickey Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 9 26th January 2010 20:42
Umbrella in a bombsight insignia for 8./KG4? Larry Hickey Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 1 3rd January 2010 19:21
Conventional wisdom wrong for 9./KG76 insignia during 1940? Larry Hickey Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 2 23rd June 2009 09:55


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 10:04.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net