28 May 1944 Bourg Leopold attack
Which units are activ at the RAF attack in the night 28 May 1944. Not only nightfighter units but also fighter units as I have a statement of one of the crewmembers and said that his aircraft was shotdown by two Fw190's and crashed near Budel. Which pilots claimed this a/c?? Also who can tell me more about the LW losses during this attack?? Thanks in advance.
Re: 28 May 1944 Bourg Leopold attack
It would help if you specified what type of aircraft your crew was flying at the time but according to Tony Woods combat claims the following kills were recorded for the night of 27 - 28 May
- Fw. Willi Morlock 3./NJG 1 4-mot. Flgz. LG 2-6: 4.000 m. [Knokke]
- Uffz. Grosser 11./NJG 1 LancasterLocation not listed: 3.400 m.
- Ltn. Kurt Matzak 12./NJG 1 Halifax NK at 3.600 m. [Leuven]
- Fhj. Hans von Gienanth 11./NJG 1 Halifax Location not listed: 3.600 m.
- Obstlt. Günther Radusch Stab/NJG 2 4-mot. Flgz. LK 2-2: 5.000 m. [Meerle]
- Oblt. Heinz Rökker Stab I./NJG 2 Halifax 20-40 km. nordw. Eindhoven:
- Oblt. Hans-Heinz Augenstein 12./NJG 1 HalifaxLocation not listed: 2.300 m.
- Oblt. Hans-Heinz Augenstein 12./NJG 1 Halifax Location not listed: 2.600 m.
- Fhj. Hans von Gienanth 11./NJG 1 HalifaxLocation not listed: 2.600 m.
- Oblt. Hans-Heinz Augenstein 12./NJG 1 HalifaxLocation not listed: 2.600 m.
- Uffz. Reichenberger 2./NJG 2 4-mot. Flgz. Heerlen S.W. Geilenkirchen: 4.500m
- Oblt. Thörl Stab I./NJG 4 4-mot. Flgz. NJ/NK 1-5: 3.200 m. [Brussels]
- Hptm. Ernst-Wilhelm Modrow 2./NJG 1 LancasterStellung Bisbar: 2.000 m.
- Ltn. Erich Jung 6./NJG 2 LancasterRaum Brüssel: 2.200 m.
- Oblt. Hermann Greiner 11./NJG 1 LancasterLocation not listed: 2.400 m.
- Hptm. Ernst-Wilhelm Modrow 2./NJG 1 Lancaster Stellung Bisbar: 2.300 m.
- Fw. Rauer 3./NJG 1 MosquitoDH 8 at 7.000 m. [off Den Helder]
- Hermann Greiner 11./NJG 1 LancasterLocation not listed: 1.400 m.
- Hptm. Hans-Karl Kamp Stab III./NJG 4 LancasterNH at 3.000 m. [Zottegem area]
- Hptm. Hans-Karl Kamp Stab III./NJG 4 LancasterWestl. Brüssel: 2.900 m.
- Hptm. Hans-Karl Kamp Stab III./NJG 4 Lancaster N. westl. Brüssel: 2.800 m.
- Fw. Robert Schratter 9./NJG 5 Lancasternordwest von Frankfurt: 4.000 m.
- Ltn. Otto Keller 9./NJG 5 Lancaster 20-40 km. südl. Ostende: 3.500 m.
- Fw. Robert Schratter 9./NJG 5 Lancaster N.W. FFi Goldammer: 4.000 m.
- Fw. Gajewski 6./NJG 2 Lancaster Ug.N. 05 Ost S/32: 2.800 m.
- Fw. Robert Schratter 9./NJG 5 Halifax N.W. FFi Goldammer: 3.800 m.
- Major Wilhelm Herget Stab I./NJG 4 4-mot. Flzg.Gegend Ostende Brigge: 3.800 m.
- Ltn. Gerhard Wagner 8./NJG 5 Halifax LF in See: 3.800 m.
- Ltn. Otto Keller 9./NJG 5 Lancaster 30-50 km. N.W. Ostende: 3.800 m.
- Hptm. Ernst-Wilhelm Modrow 2./NJG 1 Lancaster PL at 2.200 m. [Durbuy]
While on the night of 28-29 May the following two kills are registered.
- Hptm. Josef Krahforst 2./NJG 4 4-mot. Flzg. 1
km. S.W. Aaigem: 2.000 m. [Flanders]
- 29.05.44 Besatzung [crew] 6./KG 51 Stirling
05 Ost S/EC 2: 300 m. [Norfolk]
As for the claim it was a 190 that did the deed, Only NJG 1, 2, 4, and 5 were claimants for the two nights and IIRC none of these units flew the Fw 190.
all the best
Re: 28 May 1944 Bourg Leopold attack
The following websites lists Halifax Bombers lost on Bourg-Leopold mission 28 May 1944. I have enter the first site in detail, the rest you can check by clicking on the site. Note the entry that is shown in detail is the only one listed as crashing at BUDEL
Serial Number LK811
Date 1 27th May 1944
Date 2 28th May 1944
"Serial Range LK779 - LK812. 34 Halifax Mk.111. Part of a batch of 200 HP Halifax Mk.V/111. LK626-LK667; LK680- LK711; LK725-LK746 Mk.V; LK747-LK766; LK779-LK812; LK826-LK850; LK863-LK887 Mk.111. Delivered by Fairey Aviation (Stockport) between 20Feb44 and 23Mar44.
Airborne 2350 27May44 from East Moor, tasked to bomb the military camp. Cause of loss not established. Crashed at Budel (Noord- Brabant), 9 km WNW of Weert, Holland. Sgt Clarke and both Air Gunners are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial; F/S Menzies is buried in the Canadian Cemetery at Groesbeek. F/S H.J.Menzies RCAF KIA Sgt R.S.Hall RCAF PoW Sgt J.Clarke KIA F/O J.Gouinlock RCAF Evd F/O D.E.Rutherford RCAF Evd Sgt W.S.Rowan PoW WO2 H.H.Rogers RCAF KIA Sgt T.F.McClay KIA Sgt R.S.Hall was interned in Camp L7, PoW No.115. Sgt W.S.Rowan initially evaded until captured in Antwerp 6Jun44 and interned in Camp L7, PoW No.129. "
http://lostbombers.co.uk/bomber.php?id=7669 (Midair collision)
http://lostbombers.co.uk/bomber.php?id=7660 (Midair collision) Note: one entry shows ME295 the other shows MZ295
The following sites are Luftwaffe claims for 28.5.1944 Not sure if areas are right
http://www.luftwaffe.cz/augenstein.html (3 X Halifax)
http://www.luftwaffe.cz/rokker.html (1 X Halifax)
http://www.luftwaffe.cz/greiner.html (1 X Halifax)
Can only find one listing for a Luftwaffe shotdown on that date. Again I’m not sure if area is right
Bock was shot down and killed on 28 May 1944, in aerial combat with USAAF P-51 fighters near Helmstedt. He baled out of his BF 109 G-6 (W.Nr. 441 324) “Black 6” but struck the tailplane of his aircraft.
Hope this may be of help/interest
Last edited by RossGmann; 6th February 2007 at 03:04. Reason: Typing error in date
Re: 28 May 1944 Bourg Leopold attack
Michael Balss books on Nachtjagd losses show 4 losses for the night of 27-28 May 1944.
_ at 2140 hrs the Bf 110 G-4 WNr 740209 2Z+DK of 2./NJG 6 force-landed at Sonderhofen, 1 km NW Gelchsheim, after engine problem and was destroyed in hitting a railway bank. The pilot, Ofw August Seeger, was wounded, while both other crew, Uffz Hans Kainzmaier and Gefr Ferdinand Nachiluk, were unhurt
_ at 0115 hrs the Bf 110 G-4 WNr 140032 G9+CR of 7./NJG 1 was shot down by an enemy aircraft and crashed 1 km W Spannum (Holland). The pilot, Uffz Joachim Tank, bailed out wounded, while his two crew, Uffz Günther Schröder and Uffz Heinz Elwers, were killed.
_ during this night (hour unknown) the Ju 88 R-2 WNr 751084 of 2./NJG 2 was lost over sea (no other details on location) during a patrol. All three crew (Hptm Kurt Mölter (pilot (note: name is corrected in 2nd book, Nölter in 1st book), Uffz Günter Hassler and Ogfr Bruno Herlt) were lost.
_ during this night (hour unknown) the Bf 110 G-4 WNr 720258 D5+FK of 2./NJG 3 crashed 5 km ESE Assen (Holland) after an air battle. The pilot, Uffz Horst Kummer, bailed out wounded, while both other crew, Gefr Karl Maibach and Ogfr Johannes Raschig, were killed.
In late May 1944, Fw 190 met at night over France and Belgium were probably from SKG 10, a fighter-bomber unit flying this kind of aircraft usually to attack Great Britain at night, but that was also used for night defence at times in May and June 1944. The other Wilde Sau units (using single-engined fighters at night), JG 300, 301 and 302, were at the time flying less and less night missions, and were becoming normal daylight fighter units, but could also have been involved.
In any case, none of these units did a known claim this night.
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