The opponents of Gert Framm, JG 27

[Nick Hector]

I had an enquiry about him elsewhere, thought I would share this here:

Gert Framm

1st and 2nd Claims
12.5.40/1030, 1035 and 1035
3 x Blenheim IVs
Maastricht
107 sqn, 4 losses this day: L8733/OM- of P/O S G Thornton and one other KIA 3rd crewman POW, L8748/OM-K of F/O R C Rotheram & crew all KIA, plus P4905/OM- of F/O W H Edwards and one other POW, 3rd crewman KIA and P4914 of P/O O H Keedwell and crew all KIA. Framm is generally credited with P4905

3rd Claim
12.5.40/1035
Hurricane I
Maastricht
This one said to be L1671 of 1 sqn. S/L P J H "Bull" Halahan safe. Aircraft bellylanded and abandoned.

4th Claim
16.5.40/1440
Hurricane I
Brussels
N2335 of 615 sqn. F/L L T W Thornley MIA

5th claim
23.5.40/1230
Spitfire I
Dunkirk
P9370 of 92 sqn. P/O Patrick Alexander George Learmond KIA

6th claim
1.6.40/0905
Blenheim IV ("Wellington")
Dunkirk
L9481/QY-A of 254 sqn. F/O J W Baird and Sgt. R Roskrow (of 48 sqn) both MIA-KIA, P/O G W Spiers safe

6th claim
1.6.40/0908
Blenheim IV ("Wellington")
Dunkirk
R3630/QY-Q of 254 sqn. Sgt. R A Bate, Sgt. J T Love and LAC W T Harrison all KIA

7th claim
6.6.40/1720
Potez 63
Opponent not traced

8th and 9th claims
13.6.40/1310 and 1315
2 x Curtiss Hawks
Montmirail – Chateauroux
GC III/2. Overclaiming No. 236 of SLt Lansoy forcelanded
(Emil Kaiser is credited with No. 264 of GC III/2. Adj-Chef Maurice Romey KIA)

10th claim
27.7.40/1045
Spitfire I
Weymouth Bay
N3023 of 609 "West Riding" sqn. P/O James Richebourg Buchanan KIA

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Hi Nick

06/06/40

One of 10 Leo 451 shot down
GB II/12=3
GB II/22=1
GB I/11=4
GB II/31=1
GB II/23=1
Shared with I/JG51 (4 claims),I/JG1 (15 claims)

13/06/40

the two claims founded.
Fight against GC III/2(four losses)

Curtis n°247 (c/n 13717) crashed Montceaux-les Provins (77) Cdt Frederic Geille burned

Curtis n°236 (c/n 13706) crashed La Noue (77) Slt.Andre Lansoy wounded

Curtis n°264 (c/n 13734) crashed Chamguyon (51)

Curtis n°262 (c/n 13732) forced landing after fight Vaupoisson S/Lt Jacques Dartevelle.

One of the four by Erich Gerlitz (I/JG1) claims as Bloch.
Others 3 by Framm(2) and Kaiser 1)

Michel

[Nick Hector]

Thanks for the update, Michel!

[Bertrand H]

Not really important but the rank of Maurice Romey is Adjutant.
His nice biography written by Alain Coste is in the issue n°120 of Avions (2003)

Attachment 17496

Bertrand

[rledwards76]

Hi Nick,
In relation to L8748/OM-K of F/O R C Rotheram & crew all KIA, this is incorrect... I met Ronny Rotheram in England in 2000 and I can assure you he was well alive.
Obituary link below:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obi...-Rotheram.html
Regards, Ross Edwards (My Grandfather flew P4905)

[Nick Hector]

Originally Posted by rledwards76

Hi Nick,
In relation to L8748/OM-K of F/O R C Rotheram & crew all KIA, this is incorrect... I met Ronny Rotheram in England in 2000 and I can assure you he was well alive.
Obituary link below:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obi...-Rotheram.html
Regards, Ross Edwards (My Grandfather flew P4905)

Thanks, I re-checked sources. You're quite right. I appreciate the correction

[VtwinVince]

Claim 5 is very early for a Spitfire.

[rledwards76]

Does anyone know what happened to Gert Framm after the war?

[Alain57]

Hello ,

L8748 crashed at Soignies , P4905 at Bettincourt , N2335 at Rosieres 20 km sw of Brussels , L8733 at Hodeige and P4914 at Voroux-Goreux , all in Belgium

Regards
Alain57

[Chris Goss]

I was in touch with Framm in 1991. He had very little and not much to say