Information concerning the loss of Karl Heinz Muller - killed 16.10.43

[rickback4444]

Hi,

Can anyone find details over the loss of Karl Heinz Muller who was a bordfunker in a bomber squadron and who fell in battle on the 16th October 1943?

He was another experienced flier with the EK I and II and flight battle badge.

I think I have seen somewhere he was lost over Russia?

Thanks

Rick

[Rottler]

Hello Rick,

GQM loss return 19 Oct 1943, item 10:
15.10.43 I./KG 6 Feindflug, Ort und Ursache unbekannt, Ju 188 E-1 260179 3E+BL 100%.
F Hptm Waldecker, Helmuth vermisst
B Gefr Haupt, Waldemar vermisst
Bf Uffz Müller, Karl-Heinz vermisst
Bs Ofw Hohmann, Julius vermisst.
Correction 25 Nov 1943: Uffz Müller, Ofw Hohmann gefallen.

Regards
Leo

[rickback4444]

Hi Leo,

Thanks for this but do you know if he was lost over Russia or what other theatre of war his unit were based in at this time?

Rick

[Rottler]

Hi Rick,

in the GQM loss return neither the loss location nor the cause of the loss are mentioned. Unfortunately I have no NVM. On 15 Oct 1943 the I./KG 6 belonged to the Luftflotte 3 and was based at Chièvres in Belgium.

Regards
Leo

[Rottler]

Hi Rick,

according to the Luftwaffe Kracker archive on 15 Oct 1943 Hptm Waldecker became a POW after being shot down by a Mosquito of No 85 Sq, piloted by S/L Mcguire. He and Gefr Haupt bailed safely, but Uffz Müller and Ofw Hohmann were killed in the crash.

Regards
Leo

[Jim P.]

Mostly the same info as from Rottler, but a few extra details.

Ju 188E-1, 260179, WALDECKER, Hptm. Helmut, , I., 3., KG 6, , 3E+FL, , , 15-Oct-43, Stkp. POW due to Luftkampf with Mosquito from 85 Sq. (S/L Maguire & Jones). B also POW, Bf & Bs KIA., F RK. Coded '3E+BL' per loss., Lfl.3/Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.22; Horn, Wir Flogen gen Westen, p.260; The Blitz, Then & Now, III, pgs.298, 300; Kaiser, Die Ritterkreuzträger der Kampfflieger, V.2, p.162-163, Kirton Creek, Henley, bei Ipswich, 100%, F, B Ogefr. Waldemar Haupt, Bf Uffz. Karl-Heinz Müller & Bs Ofw. Julius Hohmann, 23.55

[Rottler]

Hi Rick,

on 15 Oct 1943 the I./KG 6 lost 3 Ju 188 E-1. In the GQM loss returns no crash locations are listed.
In the loss lists of "Wir flogen gen Westen" (www.denkmalproject.org) you find the crash locations
St Nicholas-at-Wade - Ju 188 E-1 260177 3E+HH 1./KG 6 Lt Geyer crew
Area Ipswich - Ju 188 E-1 260179 3E+BL 3./KG 6 Hptm Waldecker crew
southeast of Clacton-on-Sea - Ju 188 E-1 260173 3E+RH 1./KG 6 Lt Hayn Crew

Regards
Leo

[rickback4444]

Thanks everyone for the information - I have also found the reference in the Crash Archive books too

[Snautzer]

Ju 188 E-1 260177 was carrying Düppel / Chaff a piece of it fom 260177 can be seen here https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/thread...8#post-1746078