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Old 20th April 2026, 13:03
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Industrieschutzstaffeln Hans Fey victory

Going through the KU reports i saw this. A while back there was a thread on it but i can not find it. Victim was B-17 42-39981 Rugged But Right (452nd BG, 728th BS) lost Apr 29, 1944. MACR 4450, enemy aircraft, crashed near Burg Afd, near Pietzpul, 15 miles N of Magdeburg, Gr. All crew POW.


Fernschreibstelle: Ob. [handwritten: d. L./T.3.]
Datum: 30. APR. 44 [timestamp: 0415]
Fernschreiben
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++ SS S D LADE NR 254 29.4 1835.=
AN AUSW. ST. WEST OBERURSEL.=
BETR.: ABSCHUSZMELDUNG V. 29.4.44.-
A) AUFGSCHLAGORT: PLATZRAND DES FLIEGERH. BURG.- %
B) AUFSCHLAGZEIT: 1220 UHR.-
C) FLUGZEUGMUSTER: FORTRESS ROTH ZWEI.-
D) FLUGZEUGKENNZ: STERN. WERK NR. UNBEKANNT.-
E) ZUSTAND D. FLUGZEUGES: AUFSCHLAGBRAND. 100 PROZ.-
F) SCHICKSAL D. BESATZUNG: 5-6 MANN ABGESPRU. REST UNBEKANNT.-
ABSCHUSZ ERFOLGTE DURCH FLUGZEUGFHR. F E Y , CHEFPILO
DORA- V. M. H. H. UND DRUCH UFFZ. SCHILLER, 4./ (MITTE)
FLZG.- UEBERFUEHRUNGS GESCHWADER 1.- =
FL. H. KOTR. A/( O) 34/ ROEM DREI, PL KOO FLITZSCH++


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Old 20th April 2026, 23:30
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Re: Industrieschutzstaffeln Hans Fey victory

Hello Snautzer,

in the survey for 29 Apr 1944 in Jagdfliegerverbände Vol. 13/I the B-17 loss near Burg was claimed by the Erla-Werke. According to footnote 1107 on page 400 the "Bf 109 G-Einflieger Gottfried Fay" was a civilian employee of the Erla-Werke. He was no more a member of the Jagdstaffel Erla, which was disbanded on 10 March 1944.

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Re: Industrieschutzstaffeln Hans Fey victory

Hello Snautzer and Rottler,

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....pictureid=1960

This is a tweaked screenshot of Fay's claim found online in the Bundesarchiv file RL 5/1449 page 298. I am unable to make out his unit.

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Old 21st April 2026, 09:15
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Re: Industrieschutzstaffeln Hans Fey victory

If ocr from google us correct is reads Einsatzstaffel / Jagd
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Re: Industrieschutzstaffeln Hans Fey victory

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If ocr from google us correct is reads Einsatzstaffel / Jagd

That's how I read it, too.

Not via OCR though. I opened it in Affinity Photo and duplicated the original layer several times with the blend mode set to 'multiply' (a good way to get something out of a faint image but I can't remember where I first read about it).
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Re: Industrieschutzstaffeln Hans Fey victory

Thats a good one. I will put that in the prompt and see what happens.
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Old 21st April 2026, 11:36
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Re: Industrieschutzstaffeln Hans Fey victory

Row Details (Handwritten Content)
The entries are written in German Kurrent script. Here are the transcriptions for each visible row:
  1. Row 1: 10:25 | [Grid Ref: 6000] | 4./J.G. 26 | Fw 190 | Hptm. Rupp | A.S.M. - Zgf. versch.
  2. Row 2 (Red Arrow): 10:05 | [Grid Ref: 4000] Heu & Popling | Einsatzstaffel | Fw 190 | [Name illegible] | unnot. 4. [Abbr. for 4th kill]
  3. Row 3: 12:09 | [Grid Ref illegible] | Lehrgeschwader | Fw 190 | Oblt. Prinz | unnot. 2.
  4. Row 4: 12:45 | [Grid Ref: 700] | 2./J.G. 26 | Bf 109 | [Name illegible] | unnot. 98.
  5. Row 5: 13:35 | [Grid Ref illegible] | 7./J.G. 26 | Fw 190 | Oblt. Radener | unnot. 93.
Used this prompt: ocr, duplicated the original layer several times with the blend mode set to multiply, show all text.


It will not give an enhanced picture so you have to ask for the text.
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Re: Industrieschutzstaffeln Hans Fey victory

How about?

"2 / 12.05 / Burg b. Magdeburg/ 4000 [m] /Einsatzstaffel Erla / Fortress II/ Cheffpilot Fay / anerk. 4. "
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