Bär's Bodenplatte FW 190D-9

[omnivirg]

I have read in Manrho & Pütz, "Bodenplatte" that Heinz Bär flew a D-9 W.Nr. 205267 on this mission. This is according to his Log book and 2 other pilots of Stab Schwarm. This aircraft was so fast that he flew the mission solo and the A-9s of the Stab were barley able to catch him at full throttle. Could this aircraft be a prototype D-11? The aircraft was at Bad Lippspringe for "testing". Any info would be appreciated as I would like to do a profile for this plane for inclusion in my Luftwaffe Aces calendar for 2008. Thanks

[Jim P.]

205267 is an A-9 WNr.

[Andrew Arthy]

Hi,

Heinz Bär's logbook notes that he flew "FW 190A9 205 269".

Cheers,
Andrew A.

[John Manrho]

Come on guys, I expected more from you....:-)....read my book on page 73 a little bit more carefull...

First, I stated Bär flew a D-9, but I did not state that he flew WNr. 205267, as that is a A-9 Werknummer.

The logbook of Bär (does anybody know who has the original by the way...?) does not clarify this issue either. As type of aircraft Fw 190 Do is listed for 1.1.45. On 18.12.1944 (his previous flight) Bär flew a Fw 190 with Werknummer 205267 (therefore an A-9). However, this Werknummer is only listed for his flight on 1.1.45 with " to seemingly indicate it's the same aircraft. However, why is there than Fw 190 Do written as type of aircraft for 1.1.45????

Furthermore, two pilots of the Stabschwarm independently from each other wrote that Maj. Bär flew a D-9 on 1.1.45. Those two pilots did not have contact which each other at all after the war, one never attended any veteran meetings.

To me the evidence is clear, Maj. Bär flew a Fw 190 Dora on 1.1.45. If it was a D-9 or D-11 or... I don't know.

Cheers,

John.

[Andrew Arthy]

Hi John,

Sorry about that! I should have looked at my copy of the logbook more carefully, rather than relying on my notes from it.

Attached is the relevant section, and it does say FW 190 Do.

Cheers,
Andrew A.

[Eric Larger]

Hello

Of course W.Nr 205267 refers to a Fw 190A-9. There is no doubt about it .

Now it is clear that there is a mistake in the entry written in the log book , is it the right aircraft type written or is the W.Nr correct ? in that case the aircraft type is not correct.

I have seen several mistakes in log book, so it could be another one .

For me The aircraft type is more significant for flying crews and ground personnal than the W.Nr , so it could be concider as a more reliable information .

Eric

[kaki3152]

Alright,I looked through my Fw-190 references and did not find any mention of a Fw-190D-11 at Bad Lippspringe. Where does this information come from?

Carlos

[Eric Larger]

Hello

Concerning FW 190D-11 , it seems not possible that Bär ever flew a FW 190D-11 , the production aircrafts were not built at that time .

All the best

Eric

[Jan Bobek]

A "Fw 190 Do" with A-9 serial number is not only problem in Bär´s logbook. Some flights are recorded twice. Sometimes Bär flies somewhere, but doesn´t returns. Some flights (i do not talk about his Me 262 test flight hobby) are not recorded at all. His logbook in some parts seems to be written retrospectively.

[Milos Gazdic]

Guys,
Have you ever worked in a company that wants you to feel up time sheets so they can charge clients for the precious time you worked on their campaigns / accounts?
You would hate that if you are passionate about your work...
Couldn't it happen that all the pilots simply enjoyed flying (even in such dangerous times) and didn't really care about filling up their log-books, but did them after few days for few flights at once?
Also - another rookie question, was it always pilots filling up the log books themselves or they had their adjutants / aides / clerks (especially if of higher rank), just like I was one in my unit back in 1992 in ex-Yugoslavia.
Those things would help explain all these mistakes a bit too, wouldn't they?