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Old 23rd July 2012, 19:41
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Last P-51 Mustang Shot Down by a Fw-190

One of the Osprey books --"P-51 Mustang vs Fw 190: Europe 1943-45" by Martin Bowman has the following statemnt:

"The last P-51 Mustang downed by an Fw-190 is claimed west of Prague by the leading Schlacht ace (w/ 116v) Oblt. August Lambert of Schlachtgeschwader 77"

Can anyone verify this claim?

I've thought that the last P-51 downed by a Fw-190 was the one shot down by Walther Dahl on April 26,1945.
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Old 23rd July 2012, 22:15
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Re: Last P-51 Mustang Shot Down by a Fw-190

I think the important part of the sentence is "by a Fw 190".

Starting from 17 April 1945, the day Lambert was killed, I have the following P-51 claims known:

17/04/1945 n.n. III. SG 77 P-51 - - - - yes JaPo: FW190F;G
17/04/1945 Oblt. August Lambert III. SG 77 P-51 n.b. - - n.b. - no JaPo: FW190F;G
19/04/1945 Oberstltn. Heinz Bär Stab III. EJG 2 P-51 - - - - yes F/H: Me 262 Combat Diary
19/04/1945 Oberstltn. Heinz Bär Stab III. EJG 2 P-51 - - - - yes F/H: Me 262 Combat Diary
20/04/1945 Ltn. Karl Broo 5. JG 53 P-51 - - 12 - yes Prien: JG 53 List
25/04/1945 Uffz. Peter Köster JV 44 P-51 Raum Salzburg - - - yes F/H: Me 262 Combat Diary
25/04/1945 Uffz. Peter Köster JV 44 P-51 Raum Salzburg - - - yes F/H: Me 262 Combat Diary
26/04/1945 Oberst Walter Dahl Stab III. EJG 2 P-51 Raum Dillingen - - - yes F/H: Me 262 Combat Diary
26/04/1945 Ofw. Paul Meier 14. JG 53 P-51 - - 1 - yes Prien: JG 53 List
26/04/1945 Ofw. Paul Meier 14. JG 53 P-51 - - 2 - yes Prien: JG 53 List

EJG 2 was a Me 262 unit, JG 53 was using Bf 109, so the last KNOWN claims by Fw 190 pilots against P-51 are those done by SG 77 on 17 April 1945. The thing being that Lambert claimed only a probable while an unknown pilot claimed a full victory.
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Old 23rd July 2012, 23:59
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Re: Last P-51 Mustang Shot Down by a Fw-190

From Rammjaeger by Walter Dahl p 222

"...mir einer inzwiachen organisiert Fw-190"

"Die Mustang kurvt ein und fliegt direkt in meine Geschossgarbe.."

In his book he was clearly flying a Fw-190
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Old 24th July 2012, 14:19
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Re: Last P-51 Mustang Shot Down by a Fw-190

.....has some great 'stories' ..but as a reliable source Dahl's book is as good as useless..surely everybody knows that by now
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Old 24th July 2012, 16:34
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Re: Last P-51 Mustang Shot Down by a Fw-190

True,yet surely,even Walter Dahl knew what kind of airplane he was flying on a particular date, if he specifically noted the A/c type.
The inaccuracies of his book are more with reported victories than any other thing. There are other parts of the book that correct or at least, appear to be correct.
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Old 24th July 2012, 16:50
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Re: Last P-51 Mustang Shot Down by a Fw-190

One late war P-51 Mutang loss not shown in the Luftwaffe victory listing was the loss of a French AF P-51 Mustang to enemy A/C on April 17,1945

On April 17,1945 two P-51 of 2/33 Belfort flown by Lt.s Sainflou and Delegue took off at 0910 to perform a reconaissance mission.
Between Nuertigen and Kirchheim they spotted a dozen enemy aircrafts,identified as Me-109s circling. Lt. Sainflou called Lt. Delegue on the R/T but received no reply.
At that instant, two Me-109s detached from the formation and attacked the two Mustangs. Lt. Sainflou escaped while Lt. Delegue went down in flames.

JG-53 did report combat with two P-51s but reported these escaped.
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Re: Last P-51 Mustang Shot Down by a Fw-190

Lt. Guenther Landt of 11/JG 53 claimed a Spitfire at 1145. Could it have been a misidentification?
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