Photo Nieuport

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Nieuport 17 N1420 of Escadrille N103 at :


https://www.ebay.de/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEU...AAAOSwQC9eVpY-


Regards,


Clint

[Buckeye30]

Hi Clint. The star was formerly carried by VB103, the Nieuport captured in 1916; there are several other photos of it showing the big spinner. N103 used Roman numerals, the "V" was repeated on top left wing.
Regards
Nick

[musec04]

Hi Nick,


Thanks for the further info. Looks like I could have posted the photo in my captured french aircraft thread based on your information.


Another two Nieuport photos are currently on ebay at :


https://www.ebay.de/itm/RP-Realphoto...sAAOSwmAheWVs8


and :


https://www.ebay.de/itm/RPPC-Soldate...wAAOSw33FeWVrL


I note in the time it has taken to post the auction on the first of these has already ended. Hopefully it can still be seen. I also note German aircraft in the background, so presumably also captured.



Regards,


Clint

[Col Bruggy]

Hello,

More photos and information on Nieuport XVII Nr.1420, here:

http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escad...adrille103.htm

and ...

KEK Vaux (-En-Vermandois) (Chapter 8).

The seventh victory for von Althaus came on 2 July (1916), when he shot down a Nieuport 11 'Bebe' (Baby) or scout of Escadrille F 114. On the same day, Escadrille N 103 reported a Nieuport 17 as missing; both aircraft were operating in the same area. The plane had the serial number 1420 and seems to have been pictured in a photo album of a member of FFA 23. The Nieuport piloted by MdL (Andre) Seigneurie, was captured intact.

See:
KEKs and Fokkerstaffels The Early German Fighter Units in 1915-1916
Ryheul,Johan
N.p.:Fonthill Media,2014
p.88

Col.

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by musec04

Hi Nick,


Thanks for the further info. Looks like I could have posted the photo in my captured french aircraft thread based on your information.


Another two Nieuport photos are currently on ebay at :


https://www.ebay.de/itm/RP-Realphoto...sAAOSwmAheWVs8


and :


https://www.ebay.de/itm/RPPC-Soldate...wAAOSw33FeWVrL


I note in the time it has taken to post the auction on the first of these has already ended. Hopefully it can still be seen. I also note German aircraft in the background, so presumably also captured.



Regards,


Clint

The first Nieuport looks like a 17 and carries the serial N1831 (or possibly N1834. Another photo has been sold on e-bay where the serial can be seen much more clearly.
I also believe the unit is N86 but with the shooting star painted a bit more flamboyant than usual.

The second one looks like a two-seater. Any taker for an ID?

Cheers
Stig

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by Buckeye30

Hi Clint. The star was formerly carried by VB103, the Nieuport captured in 1916; there are several other photos of it showing the big spinner. N103 used Roman numerals, the "V" was repeated on top left wing.
Regards
Nick

Nick
Just so nobody misunderstands your statement. The unit was Esc 103 all the time. The French used a prefix to emphasize their units main equipment.
When using Voisin bombers, thus VB103 and when the Nieuport became the main equipment the prefix (only) switched to N.
Cheers
Stig

[Buckeye30]

Clint. I know you are interested in A-H in WW1, I have an old article in FLYING REVIEW (Jan. 1960) on Frigyes Hefty's baling-out from his Albatros (Flik.42J) on 22 Aug. 1918 shot down by a Hanriot; would you like me to scan it in sometime?
Nick
Col. thanks for the additions.

[Buckeye30]

Hi Stig. The Nieuport XVII N1831 in the photo was from N.77 (SPA.77 from August 1917),their insignia was a cross of Jerusalem on a pennant but some XVIIs had elaborate personal emblems, the comet was Ltt. Jose Maria ( POW). It was repeated on top of the fuselage.

N.86 had a winged star rather than a comet, mostly on SPADS.
I hope I havn't got my facts wrong !!!
Nick
The other looks like a Nie.10 or early 12, later had different cowlings.

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by Buckeye30

Hi Stig. The Nieuport XVII N1831 in the photo was from N.77 (SPA.77 from August 1917),their insignia was a cross of Jerusalem on a pennant but some XVIIs had elaborate personal emblems, the comet was Ltt. Jose Maria ( POW). It was repeated on top of the fuselage.

N.86 had a winged star rather than a comet, mostly on SPADS.
I hope I havn't got my facts wrong !!!
Nick
The other looks like a Nie.10 or early 12, later had different cowlings.

Thanks Nick
So it was a personal emblem. Oh well, the aircraft is certainly not carrying any N77 unit markings. The French obviously did pretty much as they wanted to....

Indeed the second one is a 10 or 12, but which one?

Cheers
Stig

[Bertrand H]

#4

Many thanks Col. for having matched the loss of this captured Nieuport with the info put in the book of Johan Ryheul (that I have). I think you have "milked" this book and put details in your data.

Very appreciated.

Bertrand