Heinz Bar's Me262 Victories

[Thierry K]

Sorry but the 12 were really 13.
Entry for 19.4 : Mustang 3 Absch
then only in the " observations " column , the undeciphered note including 4 Abschüsse and 29.4.45 followed below by " last shot down Thunderbolt on 28.4.45 over Bad Aibling "

[gunbird]

Originally Posted by kaki3152

On the LEMB board, I saw that a member had posted the Me262 Logbook victory entries of Obstlt. Heinz Bar.
This is was was posted:

March 19,1945- 1 P-51 Mustang
March 21,1945 - 1 B-24 Liberator
March 24,1945 - 1 B-24 Liberator and 1 P-51 Mustang
April 4,1945 - 1 B-26 Marauder
April 9,1945- 2 B-26 Marauders
April 17 - 1 B-26 Marauders
April 18,1945 - 2 P-47 Thunderbolts
April 19,1945 - 2 P-51 Mustangs

These are the ones I can document with corresponding Allied losses:

April 4, 1945 - 323rd BG B-26 s/n 42-107593 -shot down by Me262
April 9, 1945 - 43-34334 (556th BS) shot down by Me 262 9/4/45. MACR 14379


Any ideas on the rest?

"April 4,1945 - 1 B-26 Marauder" -- About this data ,can you give the source?In every Me-262 book I got (Osprey publishing/Classic Publishing...etc),Bar shot down a mustang that day.


And ,if you and Andrew Arthy have the same source,his data(04.04.45, 14:55-15:30: one victory) won't match Marauders loss of that day.

According to MACR report, Marauder 42-107593 was lost at 11:25

[Andrew Arthy]

Hi,

Re-checking my (rather poor) copy of his Flugbuch, the 4 April 1945 victory should be a Mustang, not a Marauder.

Cheers,
Andrew A.
Air War Publications - www.airwarpublications.com

[pstrany]

I assume everyone has given up on that whole "and one of the victories was scored with a Me 262C" thing?

(ducking now and running......)

Paul

[ANDREAS]

So, how many of Baer's jet claims are possible be confirmed from the Allied archives? Only two, as Kaki352 mentioned?

[gunbird]

Originally Posted by Andrew Arthy

Hi,

Here are the mission times from his logbook:

19.03.45, 12:15-13:00, one victory
21.03.45, 11:30-12:15: one victory
24.03.45, 11:17-12:20: two victories
04.04.45, 14:55-15:30: one victory
09.04.45, 09:45-10:20: two victories
17.04.45, 15:30-14:05: one victory
18.04.45, 10:48-11:18: two victories
19.04.45, 09:48-10:18: two victories


Cheers,
Andrew A.

Air War Publications - www.airwarpublications.com

Could you check out the 18.04.45 victories ?I wonder if they were B-26s.Because 387BG got one A/C lossed and one damaged that day,all by Me-262 ,but no luftwaffe pilot claim any B-26 victory

http://387bg.com/Aircraft/B-26%20Gravel%20Gertie.htm

[Andrew Arthy]

Hi,

For 18 April 1945, I read: "Luftk. m. Thunderbolt, 2 Absch.", time of mission 10:48-11:18.

Cheers,
Andrew A.
Air War Publications - www.airwarpublications.com