Bf109G-6 "Yellow 6" II./JG77 photo request

[ouidjat]

... Hummm
Or it wasn't a "6" ?

[Cpt_Farrel]

Sounds to me like a description of Rene Darbois' Bf109G-6 Yellow 4 from JG4. I don't think it was actually painted in the colors described but rather similar colors from the Italian range if I remember correctly.

It seems odd that an aircraft with such a special scheme doesn't ring a bell with anyone here as it surely would have been noticed by many. On the other hand as both JG4 and JG51 flew aircraft with heavily modified paintjobs it's off course not impossible that JG77 did too.

Cheers! / Anders

[Oberst]

no I'm sorry but its not the defectors mount I'm talking about. there are plenty of that aircrafts photo's around on the net.

you are very correct about JG4, & JG51. I may also add JG53, & JG54. but I guess the one I'm looking for would be most simular to Bf109G-2 'Red 6'. III./JG53, Sicily, colour pattern wise I mean.
I believe that G-2 used overall RLM 78, with RLM 79/82 mottle instead of the G-6 I'm looking for overall RLM 78, with RLM 81/82 mottle. thanks for replying.

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by Oberst

You are very correct about JG4, & JG51. I may also add JG53, & JG54 ... the G-6 I'm looking for overall RLM 78, with RLM 81/82 mottle. thanks for replying.

None of the elements of JG 54 was in Italy in 1944; the II. Gruppe of JG 51 was pulled out in the middle of March; 4./JG 2 made an appearance from late February to early April.

By the summer of 1944 you only had I./JG 4, Stab and III./JG 53 and Stab, I. and II./JG 77 remaining. All of them were gone by the first week in September.

I could be proved wrong but I don't think you would find colours 81 and 82 on a single German Bf 109 G-6 serving in Italy because they all left before those colours came into general use. Later, Bf 109 G-14, G-10 and K-4 supplied to the Aeronautica Nazionale Repubblicana did use those paints however.

[Oberst]

Hello,
JG54 in terms of heavily modified paintjobs, sorry for any confusion. three things I am certain of:

1. it was JG77
2. it was a Bf 109G-6
3. it was overall RLM 78

it may have used Italian colours as substitutes for the mottling I mentioned.
the mottling was not dense, but patches here and there of both colours (81?82?). the main colour was RLM 78.

thanks for the reply.

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by Oberst

Hello,
... three things I am certain of:

1. it was JG77
2. it was a Bf 109G-6
3. it was overall RLM 78

The problem is that you can't be certain of anything if you don't know the source for your notes. Even then if it was someone else's caption to a photo then that was just their opinion, not a certainty. Artwork is sometimes based only on imagination, sometimes it is an opinion (which may be well-founded or not) about photographs or other information. One's own interpretation of a photo (even if it was colour) is not a certainty, especially where a non-standard scheme is involved.

I'm sure that II./JG 77 had a Bf 109 G-6 "yellow 6" in 1944 (probably several) but unfortunately no one here so far seems to know a reference for the machine you describe.