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[Heuser]

Gentlemen,

I am not 100% sure if this is really Hooks a/c; Crashed Enemy Aircraft Report No.265 mentiones a Bf 109 G-14 "blue 17" with "black, white, black stripes" in the area "S of Eschweiler" among some other losses of I. and IV./JG 4 a/c on 03.12.1944.

Further this report gives the Werknummer with "46074" and the engine with DB 605 ASM, which indicates a G-14/AS.

So, we have a report of a "blue 17" of JG 4 with a crippled G-14-Werknummer and an AS-engine of S of Eschweiler (= Mausbach?), Hooks G-10 "blue 17" 490 373 and a crash location near Scherpenseel - but in any case case, neither the Werknummer nor the type of engine matches...

Regards,

Heuser

[DR40eghs]

Originally Posted by Heuser

I am not 100% sure if this is really Hooks a/c; Crashed Enemy Aircraft Report No.265 mentiones a Bf 109 G-14 "blue 17" with "black, white, black stripes" in the area "S of Eschweiler" among some other losses of I. and IV./JG 4 a/c on 03.12.1944.

Dear Alex,

the crash location is Eschweiler-Scherpenseel, a small village close to and administrative part of Eschweiler, located approx. 4 km SSE of Eschweiler town center.
So, the report 265 corresponds nicely with the fotos in question, and with the other losses of IV./JG 4 on 3 Dec 44 (crashlanding Scheufele at Grosshau, Magdanz: Stolberg, Beck: Roetgen, Liebich: Roetgen, Obermüller: SSE Düren, Wienhusen: SW Roetgen ...).

Please note: there are two places called "Scherpenseel"
- the first: a part of Übach-Palenberg (~ 16 km N Aachen City center)
- the second: 4 km S of Eschweiler and ~ 15 km E of Aachen City Center
Hooks crash location was the second.

By coincidence is spent 3 month of my life, in fact the basic training of my national Service (W-15) at Eschweiler. Although almost 35 years ago (summer 1978) - i remember the areay quite well.

Regards,
Uwe (Karlsruhe/Germany)

[Heuser]

Hi Uwe,

thank you very much for unraveling the conflicting records in this case!

I had listed Hooks loss with S of Eschweiler, because of the "blue 17" from Report No.265 between all other losses from this date, despite the ASM-engine and the 464xxx serial.

Another interesting entry in this report is Bf 109 G "3" near Kornelimünster. Maye Rademacher?

Regards,

Alexander

[DR40eghs]

Originally Posted by Heuser

Another interesting entry in this report is Bf 109 G "3" near Kornelimünster. Maye Rademacher?

Hi Alex,

good point !

As far as i know, Rademacher is still "missing" (here: no known grave), either buried as "unknown" in Lommel/B or Aachen, or simply perished in the flames/explosion of the crash.

I know ADI.(g) 265 (29/01/45), gives a "3" (no colour, or other markings given) in the last entry on page -2-, with DB 605 A-1 engine no. 00205026 + location "N.E. Kornelimünster".
But i think, this is not enough evidence for WASt. There are too many "3s" lost in this time period, and too many '109s without even knowing the markings (summary loss reports). A "3" is simply not enough as proof, without a list of engine-numbers correlated to plane WNrs., i'm afraid.

Cheers,
Uwe (Karlsruhe/D)