4.(F)/Nacht and OOB Luftflotte 4 Apr.-Jun.43

[Andreas Brekken]

I can confirm that Nahaufklärungsgruppe 12 did their conversion in Jesau, with Stab., 1./12 and 2./12. converting to a soll of 4, 16 and 16 Bf 109G-4 (Nahaufklärer) respectively and 3./12 to a soll of 9 Bf 110F3/G3.

They did not receive any aircraft from April to June, the first one being an old Bf 109E-7, then a Bf 109G-6.

Aircraft started trickling in and the unit was then attached to Luftwaffenbefehlshaber Mitte in mid-July 1943.

They were sent to Herzogenaurauch in mid-September 1943 for refitment, the unit being noted as destined for Luftwaffenkommando Südost after finishing this.

1./12 operating under Luftwaffenkommando Südost by October 20th 1943, Stab and 2./12. following by November 11th.

Regards,
Andreas B

Originally Posted by Larry deZeng

Andrey -

Stab/NAGr. 12:
April – September 1943: returned to Germany to reorganize as a single-seat reconnaissance Gruppe with Messerschmitt Bf 109s - locations uncertain, but probably at Jesau/East Prussia initially and then moved to Herzogenaurach in Bavaria.

Therefore, my guess is that aircraft lost may have been turned over to another unit when the Stab left for the Reich in April. Did you find this loss in the Gen.Qu.(6.Abt.) Verlustmeldungen, in a book or where? I do not have a note on it.

Re publishing, I have not decided yet.

L.

[Andreas Brekken]

Originally Posted by Andrey Kuznetsov

Hello friends,

according to www.ww2.dk, night recce Staffel 4.(F)/Nacht operated from Saporoshje-Ost 2.43-9.43, i.e. in the area of Luftflotte 4.
Indeed, two losses were in the area of that air fleet during Apr.-Jun.43 (21.4.43 and 18.6.43).

But in order of battle of Luftflotte 4 on 3.Aug.43 (closest data in the German multivolume history of the WW2) 4.(F)/Nacht is absent. Is it means that Staffel in question was removed before Aug.43 and probably replaced by 1.(F)/Nacht?

And more general question. Is the OOB of Luftflotte 4 for some dates between 1.Apr. and 30.Jun.43 available?
I know about the OOB 17.May.43 published by Alfred Price. But in that OOB all recce units are omitted. An allotment of units between I., IV. and VIII.Fliegerkorps is interesting also.

Best regards,
Andrey

Hi, Andrey.

According to my sources 4.(F)/Nacht was transferred to Luftwaffenbefehlshaber Mitte, and noted as in transit to Brieg for conversion to Do 217 as early as Mid-June 1943. They had received the command to do so by June 10th when they were still operating under Luftflotte 4, and by July 10th they were under the command of Luftwaffenbefehlshaber Mitte.

Regards,
Andreas B

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken

Hi.
If you are interested in the units assigned to Luftflotte 4 for this period I have that information, including aircraft types operated and strength.

Andreas, thank you a lot!

I'll write you a bit later.

Andrey

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken

Hi, Andrey.

According to my sources 4.(F)/Nacht was transferred to Luftwaffenbefehlshaber Mitte, and noted as in transit to Brieg for conversion to Do 217 as early as Mid-June 1943. They had received the command to do so by June 10th when they were still operating under Luftflotte 4, and by July 10th they were under the command of Luftwaffenbefehlshaber Mitte.

Regards,
Andreas B

Thank you again, Andreas. I sent you E-mail