Identity of BF109 claim by P/O Sid Bregman 27Sept.1944

[Tony Kearns]

Thanks Franc for that additional gen, it all helps to clarify.

John, I appreciate the difficulties of identifying just who shot down whom, but the help in identifying the units involved progresses it for me. Dare I ask, were the losses from all three staffels?
I perhaps should clarify; the questions arise as a result of research into five Spitfires IX which survived the war and were converted to two seat trainers for the Irish Air Corps. I have the histories of the Spitfires from my visits to Kew and from the Irish log books. But my lack of German is my stumbling block and too old to start learning the language now. Computer skills can best be summed up by the attached.
I ask for the patience of this forum when my other questions arise.
Thank you gentlemen.
Regards,
Tony K

[John Manrho]

To Tony;

Stab II./JG 77 flew with all Staffeln (5. 6. and 7.). I do not believe a 8. Staffel existed yet. Take off with 26 Bf 109 from Werl at 08.40 hours (one hour time difference with GMT so this is 07.40 hours Allied time). Losses were;

Lt. Lothar Peemüller (5. Staffel), killed, near Borken.
Hptm. Franz Hrdlicka (5. Staffel), wounded, 6 km south Bocholt.
Uffz. Walter Quandel (5. Staffel), slightly injured, 6 km south Arnhem.
Uffz. Franz Gollner, (5. Staffel), killed, Raum Arnhem-Nijmegen.
Uffz. Hans Röhrig (5. Staffel), killed, near Lobith.
Gefr. Horst Ullmann (5. Staffel), killed, Doornenburg (recovered 1993).
Gefr. Alfred Hoffschmidt (6. Staffel), wounded, Raum Nijmegen.
Uffz. Herbert Plackmeyer (6. Staffel), killed, near Borken.
Uffz. Franz Mayer (6. Staffel), missing, Raum Nijmegen.
Fj.Fw. Klaus Rüter (7. Staffel), killed, near Rhede.

II./JG 77 also claimed two Spitfires. One by Maj. Freytag (at 09.23 hrs, being 08.23 hrs Allied time) and by Uffz. Quandel at 10.00 hrs. As Uffz. Quandel was shot down also his claim must have been reported after his return to the Gruppe. Time might be approximate.

To Franck,

My statement was a general one and not specific directed to you. Also nothing to do with if I wrote a book or not. It is about doing proper research. I have noticed lately that many people on this forum only do "desk" research and not serious research. It are those that "demand" proof from the serious researcher to substantiate statements. I particular did not like the "brownish" discussion on LEMB and TOCH. Unfortunately several people who do serious research are not on this forum anymore. Why would that be?

Concerning this discussion, indeed I should have been more clearer in my initial contribution to explain why I reached that conclusion. But, on the other hand.....why would I bother answering questions at all........

Regards,

John.

[TigerTimon]

Originally Posted by John Manrho

To Tony;

Stab II./JG 77 flew with all Staffeln (5. 6. and 7.). I do not believe a 8. Staffel existed yet. Take off with 26 Bf 109 from Werl at 08.40 hours (one hour time difference with GMT so this is 07.40 hours Allied time). Losses were;

Lt. Lothar Peemüller (5. Staffel), killed, near Borken.
Hptm. Franz Hrdlicka (5. Staffel), wounded, 6 km south Bocholt.
Uffz. Walter Quandel (5. Staffel), slightly injured, 6 km south Arnhem.
Uffz. Franz Gollner, (5. Staffel), killed, Raum Arnhem-Nijmegen.
Uffz. Hans Röhrig (5. Staffel), killed, near Lobith.
Gefr. Horst Ullmann (5. Staffel), killed, Doornenburg (recovered 1993).
Gefr. Alfred Hoffschmidt (6. Staffel), wounded, Raum Nijmegen.
Uffz. Herbert Plackmeyer (6. Staffel), killed, near Borken.
Uffz. Franz Mayer (6. Staffel), missing, Raum Nijmegen.
Fj.Fw. Klaus Rüter (7. Staffel), killed, near Rhede.

II./JG 77 also claimed two Spitfires. One by Maj. Freytag (at 09.23 hrs, being 08.23 hrs Allied time) and by Uffz. Quandel at 10.00 hrs. As Uffz. Quandel was shot down also his claim must have been reported after his return to the Gruppe. Time might be approximate.

To Franck,

My statement was a general one and not specific directed to you. Also nothing to do with if I wrote a book or not. It is about doing proper research. I have noticed lately that many people on this forum only do "desk" research and not serious research. It are those that "demand" proof from the serious researcher to substantiate statements. I particular did not like the "brownish" discussion on LEMB and TOCH. Unfortunately several people who do serious research are not on this forum anymore. Why would that be?

Concerning this discussion, indeed I should have been more clearer in my initial contribution to explain why I reached that conclusion. But, on the other hand.....why would I bother answering questions at all........

Regards,

John.

Dear John,

May I ask why Unteroffizier Werner Gölckel is not listed here? Is that because the crash in the region of Oberhausen/Sterkrade falls outside the scope of Arnhem-Nijmegen area? Or did he not take off at 08.40 hrs?

Kind regards, Timon