SeenotSt.6 Losses 1-11-1943

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by Seaplanes

To Rasmussen: Can you give any dates for the log-book entries.

FB Erdmann:
12.02.1944, Blindflug, Start: Selent 09.50 - Landung: Kiel 11.30, Pilot: Erdmann, Begleiter: not readable

FB Wodrig:
03.03.1944, Einflug, Start/ Landung: 16.10-16.20, 16.28-16.31, 16.35-16.42, Start/ Landung in Schellingwoude, note: 1003, SNC... (the not readable part I completed to SNCAN), Pilot: Gundermann, Begleiter: Flieger Wodrig

[JoMe]

Hi all

In FB Wodrig I read WNr. 1063 for KK + LM !
The number "6" wasn't clear, but it is a "6" !

The right SKZ for Do 24 / WNo. 1001-1003 was DT + HC - DT + HE.

best wishes
JoMe

[Seaplanes]

Thank you Jo-Me. W.Nr. 1063 for KK+LM fits in perfectly.
The same goes for the St.kz. 1101-1103 with DT+HC - DT+HE.
Initially I also had DT+ but years ago someone pursuaded me to change ti DH+.
Thanks again.

[gogh]

Post 21 WNr.1003
post 22 WNr.1001-1003 DT+HC to +HE
post 23 WNr.1101-1103 DT+HC to +HE

Confusing

And a remark: Wodrig book was sold on Ebay and on the pages where numbers (serials) wrote with a different pen and handwriting. Could this be added post war with possible faults then ?

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by gogh

And a remark: Wodrig book was sold on Ebay and on the pages where numbers (serials) wrote with a different pen and handwriting. Could this be added post war with possible faults then ?

If you read the postings again there isn't so much confusing ...

post 21: I've read "1003" (my interpretation) ... it could it be "1063" too (like JoMe wrote isn't clear to read and it seems "1063" fits better).

post 22 and 23: They have to say who is correct ...

Of course it's possible that's an after war add but it could be an war add from another clerk at the same time too ... who know it ...

[Stig Jarlevik]

All

My apologies for not getting back on this interesting topic. The autumn bird-watching season is now in full swing and with juveniles and rutting parents all around, also that much more difficult....... and interesting!

Again, thanks very much for the additional STKZ details and also the additional explanations regarding SNCAN.

Seaplanes, I will send you a private message.

Cheers
Stig

[Tom Willis]

Hi Seaplanes
I want to thank you for the info on the SNCAN production very interesting. Are you certain of the Stkz GM+IJ - GM+IK for 991 - 992? I have this Stkz block with Go 242A production. Is it not possible that the CN+IJ often quoted as being the Stkz for 991 as being the most likely. This was allocated to W/Nr 44 this was not assigned to the Lw but was sent to SNCAN at Sartrouville as a pattern a/c and according to the list given in a Dutch publication assigned the W/Nr FS 1. As 991 & 992 were all built using parts from the Fokker plant could W/Nr 44 (FS 1) be the 1st production a/c at Sartrouville W/Nr 991 still retaining it's original Stkz CN+IJ.
The CIOS report also gives the interesting details that 127 a/c were planned to be built there until Sept.1945 it gives the further W/Nrs up until construction no 102
58 - 64 - 1178 to 1184; 65 - 72 - 1201 to 1208; 73 - 76 - 1221 to 1224;
77 - 86 - 1231 to 1240; 87 - 89 - 1253 to 1255; 90 - 97 - 1271 to 1278;
98 - 102 - 1301 to 1305;
This includes the 2nd contract order for 50 aircraft to be built up to April 1945. The rest were 21 a/c up until August 1945 with the last order of 6 a/c to be completed Sept.1945.
Lastly I am trying to find the W/Nr for the Stkz DT+HB. DT+HA is 1075 with DT+HC to DT+HE as W/Nr 1101 to 1103. Also I have a reference that BJ+FE has the W/Nr 1104 but cannot find the source for this. Has anybody any ideas? Plus you have KK+LV without a W/Nr? It is most likely that this was W/Nr 2131.
If anybody can add anything then please do. Many Thanks
Regards - Tom Willis

[Stig Jarlevik]

Tom

Interesting stuff. However I don't follow you regarding the double WNr issue you list. Can you explain them?

I always thought those you list as 58-102 were the RLM issued ones (0058 to 0102), but now you introduce 1178-1305 (with black out blocks). What are they?

Cheers
Stig

[Tom Willis]

Hi Stig
Thanks for the reply - I was always under the impression that the topic under discussion was the SNCAN production of the Do24 at Sartrouville. The list that I gave for the numbers 58 to 102 are the SNCAN factory contruction numbers and the 1178 to 1305 were the projected RLM W/Nrs. These were never built (at least under German control) as the factory was overun by the Allied advance. The French continued building these and at least 40 were built. The SNCAN 1st order was for 52 a/c and the 2nd order was for 50 a/c (102 in total) to be completed by April 1945. Two a/c crashed before delivery so 54 were built for the 1st contracted order. Is this okay? There can be a lot of confusion with factory construction numbers and the RLM numbers associated with them. The Fokker/Aviolanda built a/c the RLM 0001 had the Dutch c/n as 74.
The first part of my enquiry was about the RLM W/Nr 044 with the Stkz of CM+IJ shipped in parts to the SNCAN factory as a pattern a/c for the rest of the Do24s to be built there. My argument was that the Aviolanda construction numbers from 108 to 116 (RLM W/Nrs 035 to 043 - CM+IA to CM+II) follow in consequetive order as c/n 117 to 132 (RLM W/Nrs 045 to 060 - CM+IK to CM+IZ). W/Nr 044 - CM+IJ is listed as being shipped to Sartrouville as FS 1 (I think this was 991) as the original W/Nr 044 was assigned the Stkz CM+IJ this was retained when it was given a different W/Nr as being French built but using Dutch components. I can't put in any simpler.

Cheers - Tom Willis

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Tom

Sorry, no I did not understand you were back solely on the SNCAN production.
Since these double WNr-c/n-msn are very confusing, you, so to speak, put me a bit offside...

I have to start make my own production list of the Do 24 since the one in Wijngarden/Staal's book is now so full of corrections/amendments that I have trouble following what I really mean....

Cheers
Stig