Italian vs Luftwaffe

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Thanks Laurent and "Bonne Année 2017" from France for all

Well, it seems that my source (F.D'amico and G.Valentini) is false.
Apart from the Cant Z.1007 (14/5/44),no other italian Co-Belligerent seems to have been victims of german fighters: no victories by the JG27 don't correspond to meadows or far.

michel

best regards

[alessandro bray]

Hallo,
apart from the attack on the Cant 1007 on 14.05.44 by JG27, other occasions of Luftwaffe air to air victories are:

on 11.09.1943 Oblt Wolfgand Ernst claimed 2 Ba88 and 1 Cant Z1007 at 10.30 10.33 and 10.40 near La Maddalena (Sardegna). Real italian losses 2 SM79 of 278. Squadriaglia AS and 1 Cant Z1007.

on 23.10.1943 3 Spitfire claimed by Hpm J. Kirschner (2) and Fw H. Bartels around 13.00 over Albania , 2 Re2002 of 258.Squadriglia shot down (Ten Bassi MIA, Cap D'Ottaviano KIA). A good account of this engagement is in Boris Ciglic excellent "Messerschmitt Bf109 The Yugoslav Story".

on 3.04.1944 a Cant1007 of 88. Gruppo was shot down over Podgorica, claimed by Hpm Bruesl NaGr12 as Fiat Br20 (and this is correctly reported in d'Amico-Valentini Regia Aeronautica vol2)
ciao
Alessandro

[Nick Hector]

Originally Posted by alessandro bray

Hallo,
apart from the attack on the Cant 1007 on 14.05.44 by JG27, other occasions of Luftwaffe air to air victories are:

on 11.09.1943 Oblt Wolfgand Ernst claimed 2 Ba88 and 1 Cant Z1007 at 10.30 10.33 and 10.40 near La Maddalena (Sardegna). Real italian losses 2 SM79 of 278. Squadriaglia AS and 1 Cant Z1007.

on 23.10.1943 3 Spitfire claimed by Hpm J. Kirschner (2) and Fw H. Bartels around 13.00 over Albania , 2 Re2002 of 258.Squadriglia shot down (Ten Bassi MIA, Cap D'Ottaviano KIA). A good account of this engagement is in Boris Ciglic excellent "Messerschmitt Bf109 The Yugoslav Story".

on 3.04.1944 a Cant1007 of 88. Gruppo was shot down over Podgorica, claimed by Hpm Bruesl NaGr12 as Fiat Br20 (and this is correctly reported in d'Amico-Valentini Regia Aeronautica vol2)
ciao
Alessandro

Hi gents,

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=29709

listed Serg. Aldrovandi's Re2002 as also hit during the engagement between 258 Squadriglia and Bartels + Kirschner. Can anyone provide further details (e.g. serials and crew fates) of the SM79 of 278. Squadriaglia AS and 1 Cant Z1007 involved in the Wolfgang Ernst engagement?

Nick

[alessandro bray]

Hallo,

the 2 SM79s were piloted by sottotenete Giuseppe Coci and by tenente Ottone Sponza (both survived)

ciao

Alessandro

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Cant z 1007ter MM24816, 261^ squadriglia BT, Raggruppamento Bombardamento, crew 7 people, all KIA (pilots ten. Valentino Marta and S.Ten. Clemente Corradini, crew B. De Vecchi - Congedo - D'Anna - Pollettini - Tealdi)
S79 MM 24231 (Sponza), no losses
S79 MM 24492 (Coci), no losses

Regards

Fabrizio