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Re: Information on Soviets losses
Thank's guys for your efforts.
By deduction and analysis,perhaps, but perhaps the 4 and 5/JG5?,but in fact,it seems we never have the answer. It's frustating to known some Soviet losses(verifiable and verified) but not the opponents!unlike other situations such as the 13/3/43:17 claims for JG5 and only two verifiable Soviet losses! I have not identified the I-16,Lagg and P-40 (18/03) michel |
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Re: Information on Soviets losses
I have recorded following Soviet losses at Alakurtti on the days indicated:
10 March 1943: Pe-2 (80 BAP, 261 SAD): Capt Popov, Pavel Fedorovich; Capt Popov, Konstantin Nikolayevich and Lt Brizhatyuk, Boris Safronovich - all MIA. Pe-2 (80 BAP, 261 SAD): Sn.Lt Moskalets, Vladimir Sergeyevich; Sn.Lt Batov, Anatoliy Sergeyevich and kr-ts Babinkin, Aleksei Sergeyevich. Batov and Babinkin apparently KIA, but at least Moskalets became POW (possibly also Babinkin), and was later dispatched to Germany, where he joined VVS ROA (Vlasov´s Air Force). Moskalets (re-) defected to the Soviet side on 3-4 July 1944 (see my post of 7 Jan 2017, which remained without answer: http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=47041) Pe-2(80 BAP, 261 SAD): Jn.Lt. Skvortsov, Vasiliy Ivanovich (KIA) Pe-2 (80 BAP, 261 SAD):star Kupenko, Semen Seenovich (KIA) - the other crew members of these two last mentioned Pe-2 apparently survived (Skvortsov and Kupenko were possibly in the same Pe-2 aircraft) I have got only one Hurricane (152 IAP, 259 IAD) shot down on 10 March 1943 at Alakurtti, pilot Serov survived. Five Il-2s were lost (all 828 ShAP): - personal losses: Sn.Lt. Kukushkin, Nikolai Pavlovich; Lt. Korotkov, Nikolai Ivanovich; Jn.Lt Levitskiy, Zinoviy Abramovich and Jn.Ser. Talalayev, V.G.; Sn.Lt. Krivosheyev, Viktor Pavlovich; Jn.Lt. Kotlyaryevskiy, Konstantin Mikhajlovich (WIA) and Ser. Mukhin, Yevgeniy Petrovich in tactical "4", c/n 1872932 (as mentioned by Gabor; the monument Il-2 is erected at the factory in Samara). All other Il-2 crew members KIA. Losses at Alakurtti 18 March 1943: Three Hurricanes (152 IAP, 259 IAD): star Kharlamov, Nikolai Sergeyevich and star Zagorodnikov, Ivan Sergeyevich (both KIA), Jn.Lt. Ryabchenko, M.N. survived. Two Hurricanes (966 IAP, 122 IAD PVO) - pilots so far unknown. 609 IAP lost one Hurricane (pilot OK). In 20 GIAP one P-40E crash-landed at Luostari (Petsamo/Pechenga), which however is very far from Alakurtti!! Likewise, 197 IAP lost one I-16 at Gremyakha, which is also rather far away from Alakurtti. I have no Il-2 losses this day - is the date correct?? Carl Last edited by Carl-Fredrik Geust; 19th February 2017 at 17:41. |
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Re: Information on Soviets losses
08/03/43?? that day,I have only a hurricane of 760°IAP Sm N.A.Sinitsyn(K) reason?
You mean 18/03/43? that day I have:four of 152°IAP N° 519 N°545 N°938 BN823 Sgt G M Sukhov of 152°IAP (belly landing) for the P-40 of 3./20.gwIAP (JLt M.E.Bytschkow) probably by Horst Berger(Petsamo) one Il-2 of 17.gwSchAP (Kpt.Peretjagin) probably by Heinz Beyer(Petsamo) for Il-2 of 828th ShAP,maybe mistake of dates and confusion between 10/03 and 18/03 michel |
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