German night fighter top aces by plane

[PMoz99]

I was expecting a rant like that from you Nick. A pity you didn't contribute anything useful to the discussion. If the Wiki info is not accurate, tell us why instead of just having a rant.
Peter

[Nick Hector]

Originally Posted by PMoz99

I was expecting a rant like that from you Nick. A pity you didn't contribute anything useful to the discussion. If the Wiki info is not accurate, tell us why instead of just having a rant.
Peter

Peter,

I did contribute something useful to the discussion: where to find a photo that lends evidence to the contention that zu Sayn-Wittgenstein flew a Messerschmitt 110. I have no more proof than anyone else that he achieved victories in the type, but that is at least a starting point. I thought your post acknowledged that fact.

As for Wikipedia, I explained why it should not be quoted as a source for serious research. My "rant" as you label it consists of perfectly legitimate reasons why it is objectionable. If you need it spelled out again, here we go:

You cannot quote it if you are a 1st year uni student, if you do, you can expect to fail. knusel has told us several times that he is a scientist involved with pathology. It is perfectly legitimate for forum members to expect a higher standard from him, especially when he has repeatedly been directed away from bad sources and on to better sources during his tenure on the forum.

Other forum members have hinted that he is all ask, and no answer. He "takes" from the forum. What does he "give back"?
Quotes from Wikipedia....?
I also call upon you to note that "Forum" implies "exchange of information"


Peter, it might please you to know that I have contributed to and have acknowledgements in internationally published books. I would not have been offered those opportunities if I had nothing good to say on this forum...
...or had quoted Wikipedia as my source material.

I contend that my objections are legitimate and that being a forum, I have the right to state them. If my objections are not legitimate, the moderators will say so...

[knusel]

Originally Posted by PMoz99

I was expecting a rant like that from you Nick. A pity you didn't contribute anything useful to the discussion. If the Wiki info is not accurate, tell us why instead of just having a rant.
Peter

Good morning Peter,

never mind him. I use to skip his "posts".

If memory doesn't play tricks on me I read somewhere that Wittgenstein flew but one single mission in a Bf110. I'll try to relocate that source.

Have a nice weekend,

Michael

[Nick Hector]

Originally Posted by knusel

Good morning Peter,

never mind him. I use to skip his "posts".

If memory doesn't play tricks on me I read somewhere that Wittgenstein flew but one single mission in a Bf110. I'll try to relocate that source.

Have a nice weekend,

Michael

Looking to have another thread closed down, knusel? That usually happens after Peter "intervenes".....
Objections to your validity are perfectly legitimate and are typically upheld by the moderators. It is also a fact that you only ever ask questions without contributing much else of real substance to the forum....

[Col Bruggy]

Originally Posted by knusel

Good morning Peter,

never mind him. I use to skip his "posts".

If memory doesn't play tricks on me I read somewhere that Wittgenstein flew but one single mission in a Bf110. I'll try to relocate that source.

Have a nice weekend,

Michael

Michael,

Could the following be the source of your observation?

"Heinrich (zu Sayn-Wittgenstein), was stationed at Gilze-Rijen where the order came to convert to the Bf 110. Apparently, the Prinz and Herbert flew in the Bf 110 for one brief flight only, but that night, in late May, the aircraft suffered a technical problem and was deemed unserviceable. Not ones for remaining idle, they took off in their usual Ju 88 C and shot down four Lancasters*! Prinz Heinrich never flew another Bf 110 again, preferring to fly his Ju 88. He was able to achieve this by employing his status and seniority, thereby circumventing usual restrictions."

See:
Princes of Darkness The Lives of Luftwaffe night fighter aces Heinrich Prinz zu Sayn-Wittgenstein and Egmont Prinz zur Lippe-Weissenfeld.
Knott,Claire Rose
Hersham:Classic,2008
pp.74-6

* Claims for four Lancasters doubtful. Date possibly 25 June, 1943 - 4 claims, only one was a Lancaster (Luftwaffe Aces 4/Mathews & Foreman/pp.1092-3).

Col.