Bf109 G or K?

[George Hopp]

Adicionaly, this plane has a wooden tailplane(sharp angle at the botton of the ruder).This type of ruder was introduced later in war.By that time the Me109G-6 was not built anymore.

Well, the 109 G-6 was certainly being built by Regensburg and Erla in Nov 44, so a few may have been built into 1945. So, the time period of G-6 production doesn't rule out a wooden tail.

But, with the main evidence of the photo: Large wheel fairings on the wing that would indicate a G-10 or K-4; but with the obvious "Beule" of the earlier a/c series, I would agree with Eduardo, that it is a 109 G-14.

[Kutscha]

Did not the K-4 get rid of the radio mast. Some G-10s did and some didn't.

The oil cooler seems too deep for a G-6, G-14.

It has to have the long tail strut. If it had the short strut the rudder base would be hiden in the long grass.

Would say it is a G-10.

[George Hopp]

The problem with anything other than the G-14 is that you can see the unpainted fuselage over which the lower rear part of the "Beule" was positioned. The G-10 would have had the rear panel for the refined cowling, not the round bubble of the Beule.

[Kuba Plewka]

I think i'ts a Erla-built G-14. Photo isn't of the best quality, but fortunatelly something is still visible.



The presence of PR 16 loop antena [4] just behind the canopy eliminates a K-4 subtype.
The plane has DB 605 A-serie engine. The pipe leading to the oil vapour separator comin' through right engine bearer [1] as well as cold start push-pump button located below the bearer on a metal strip [6] eliminates D-serie Motor.
Lack of the redesigned cowling bulges as well as unpainted area [2], where MG 131 bulges were located eliminates the AS engine too.
This plane has Fo 870 oil cooler, not a deeper 987 one [7]. One can see it's more "square" lower shape. This Gustav has older type of prop, not a wider one for G-10, G-14/AS or K-4 [8].
As I can recognise in this blurry photo, there's a battery-box aft the armour plate in cockpit - the sign that aircraft has a MW system instaled [3]. There is also a blurred dot, that looks like Erla-style MW-50 stencil on the right fuselage side.
The tail wheel leg is tall one [unmarked arrow ] and the AC tires are bigger, 660x190 ones with large bulges on the wing [5].
This feautures are quite common for a late Erla G-14.
Wish I could see the oil tank. I bet it's bigger, 56l. one...

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by Kuba Plewka

This feautures are quite common for a late Erla G-14.

...from the 465 xxx - batch .

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by George Hopp

Well, the 109 G-6 was certainly being built by ... Erla in Nov 44, ...

Not "official" ... the last "stamped" G - 6 left the factory in July/ August.

Best wishes
Rasmussen

[Eduardo]

I agree with Mr Rasmussen and Mr Kuba Plewka.
For me this plane is a Me 109 G-14y
with Db 605 AM engine with MW 50.
Large main wheel and tall tail wheel (660x190).
Wooden tailfin.
C-3 type fuel.
Fug 16ZY (comand aircraft)
Buit by Erla (Nov/Dez) 1944 from the batch of 465...

Eduardo.

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by Eduardo

Buit by Erla (Nov/Dez) 1944 from the batch of 465...

Not built in November/ December 1944 but February/March 1945 ...

[ArtieBob]

Dear Rasmussen,

I am not certain where you got information on last G-6 production, but the C-AMT Monatsmeldung and other production related documents I have seen show G-6 NEUBAU production running through February 1945.

Best regards,

Artie Bob

[Eduardo]

Sorry about my mistake Rasmussen.
You are right.
The 465xxx batch started at Feb 1945.

Eduardo Arana.