looking for info on HE-111 losses over Holland, 10th may 1940

[kiwi123]

Maybe some people can add to this ? I've tried to find the corresponding fokker G.I. number for each 111 loss.

Stab KG4 Heinkel He111P (2909). Shot down by Fokker G1 of 3-II-1 (1e Lt Noomen & Korp de Vries) during sortie to Rotterdam and belly-landed in St Annapolder between Rockanje and Hellevoetsluis, south of Zwartedijk 4.15 a.m. Oberfw E-R. Frotscher killed. Oberst M. Fiebig (Geschwaderkommodore), Oberlt K. Born, Oberfw O. Hlubek, and Oberfw O. Blank captured unhurt. Aircraft 5J+DA a write-off.
Shot down by 312


Stab KG4 Heinkel He111P. Returned badly damaged by flak and Fokker G1 of 3-II-1 (1e Lt. A. van Oorschot and Sgt. W. P. Wesly) over Waalhaven 4.10 a.m. Oberlt Andersch unhurt. Fw P-K. Schiel badly wounded, admitted to hospital in Delmenhorst. Fw H. L. Romatowsky and Uffz H. Wiegand slightly wounded. Aircraft damaged but repairable.
Shot at by 315?


2./KG4 Heinkel He111P (4570). Shot down by Fokker G1 of 3-II-1 south of Dordrecht and crashlanded between Goudswaard and Piershil 4.15 a.m. Gefr H. Pälchen and Gefr K. Klemm badly wounded. Aircraft destroyed by crew.
Shot down by 302/312/328?


5./KG4 Heinkel He111P-2 (3556). Believed shot down by Fokker G1 of 3-II-1 over Waalhaven. Oberlt H. Roth, Uffz H. Heinig, and Obergefr E. Stephan captured slightly wounded. Aircraft a write-off.
Shot down by 302/312/328?


5./KG4 Heinkel He111P. Shot down during attack on Waalhaven by Fokker G1 of 3-II-1 (Sgt Souffree & Sgt de Man) and belly-landed 1 km south of Zevenbergschehoek 7.00 a.m. Oberfw H. Ganss killed. Oberlt R. Ganzert, Oberfw E. Tischer, and Gefr H. Dertinger captured unhurt. Aircraft 5J+DN a write-off.
Shot down by 328

5./KG4 Heinkel He111P. Shot down by Fokker G1 of 3-II-1 (1e Lt Kuipers & Sgt Venema) and crashlanded at Alblasserdam, near Waalhaven 4.15 a.m. Uffz H. Zitzmann captured badly wounded, treated at Missiehaus Paters van Nuland. Uffz G. Klenk, Uffz W. Wiebke, and Gefr R. Schlegel captured unhurt. Aircraft 5J+JN a write-off.
Shot down by 302

[Jaap Woortman]

Originally Posted by kiwi123

Maybe some people can add to this? I've tried to find the corresponding Fokker G.I. number for each 111 loss.

Now we come to the most difficult part. Who has shot down who! Why difficult? Very simple. In one hand we have the German losses. Mostly proven, not always, by primary sources. And in the other hand we have the Dutch claims. Mostly not proven by primary sources. Many Dutch combat reports have been written after 1945. In many cases more then five years after it has happened. These reports have been used by Molenaar in his work: De luchtverdediging in de meidagen 1940. Till now the standard work about the airwar in Holland during the days in May 1940. It is obvious that his work is not 100% reliable, but his files can be checked in the archives of the NIMH at The Hague.
We have something that Molenaar did not have had and that is 60 years of research and that helps us in coming as close as possible to what has really happened at that day, at that hour, at that place.
But please gentlemen, use primary sources and mention your sources. Otherwise the discussion will end in disaster.

Kiwi123, I love your painting. Very nice. But are sure that Geschwaderkommodore Fiebig was shot down before the attack at the Dutch airfields? The Fokker G-1 of Noomen has shot down two He 111's who had bombed Waalhaven! Molenaar page 233. And I do not believe that they were still flying after the bombardement in this kind of formation.

Jaap