Hans Hahn/Maximilian Stotz

[kirche]

Originally Posted by Nick Hector

10.8.42/1415
IL-2 Sturmovik
15km NE of Konaja (PQ 46254) @ low altitude
312 ShAP. Leytenants Vasiliy Khomyakov and Prokopiy Bushuev both failed to return
(other loss was inflicted by Stendel of JG 51)

Hello,
46254 is the district of Saburovo, which is somewhat northwest of Karmanovo. But these two Il-2s took off at 14.25 (13.25 Berlin time) from the Alferevo airfield (north of Volokolamsk) to reconnoiter the banks of the Volga River between Apoki and Matyukovo (east of Rzhev). The fact that they were shot down after 50 minutes of flight more than 40 km from the route target and more than 30 km south of the flight route is a very bold identification. Most of the losses of this type of aircraft still fall on the fire of anti-aircraft artillery, but according to tradition, many try to link them with the action of fighters. IL-2 Khomyakov #5310, and IL-2 Bushuev #3205. Both aircraft have not yet been found, as far as I remember.
Best regards,
Kirill

[@irnimal]

Originally Posted by kirche

Hello,
46254 is the district of Saburovo, which is somewhat northwest of Karmanovo. But these two Il-2s took off at 14.25 (13.25 Berlin time) from the Alferevo airfield (north of Volokolamsk) to reconnoiter the banks of the Volga River between Apoki and Matyukovo (east of Rzhev). The fact that they were shot down after 50 minutes of flight more than 40 km from the route target and more than 30 km south of the flight route is a very bold identification. Most of the losses of this type of aircraft still fall on the fire of anti-aircraft artillery, but according to tradition, many try to link them with the action of fighters. IL-2 Khomyakov #5310, and IL-2 Bushuev #3205. Both aircraft have not yet been found, as far as I remember.
Best regards,
Kirill

Hi Kirill,
On this same day, from the 233 ShAD, 728 ShAP lort Serzhant Yuriy Viktorovich Volkov (Mia), also in the Rzhev area. Do you know the time of the mission?
Accordin to Tony Wood's list, the only pilot that claimed was Gunther Schack, but that was almost 4 hours before Stotz's claim.

[kirche]

Originally Posted by @irnimal

Hi Kirill,
On this same day, from the 233 ShAD, 728 ShAP lort Serzhant Yuriy Viktorovich Volkov (Mia), also in the Rzhev area. Do you know the time of the mission?
Accordin to Tony Wood's list, the only pilot that claimed was Gunther Schack, but that was almost 4 hours before Stotz's claim.

Hello Paulo,
08/10/1942 - 15.52-16.48 - 6 Il-2 mission to destroy batteries at the edge of the forest, which is 2.5 km northeast of Rzhev. Attack 16.16-16.23. While moving away from the target, IL-2 #3401 was shot down by anti-aircraft artillery and anti-aircraft machine guns, exploded, fell 2 km southwest of Timofeevo.
The plane crash site was found in the fall of 2021 in the Timofeevo area.
According to German documents published on the website of the Bundesarchiv, the plane was shot down at 15.40 west of Timofeevo by an 20-mm anti-aircraft gun II Zug. 10 Battarie II./Flakregiment 49 (mot.).

Kirill

[@irnimal]

Originally Posted by kirche

Hello Paulo,
08/10/1942 - 15.52-16.48 - 6 Il-2 mission to destroy batteries at the edge of the forest, which is 2.5 km northeast of Rzhev. Attack 16.16-16.23. While moving away from the target, IL-2 #3401 was shot down by anti-aircraft artillery and anti-aircraft machine guns, exploded, fell 2 km southwest of Timofeevo.
The plane crash site was found in the fall of 2021 in the Timofeevo area.
According to German documents published on the website of the Bundesarchiv, the plane was shot down at 15.40 west of Timofeevo by an 20-mm anti-aircraft gun II Zug. 10 Battarie II./Flakregiment 49 (mot.).

Kirill

Kirill, thank you again for the help.
So it is safe to say that of these 3 losses none was inflicted by Stotz.
i know that 224 ShAD had 3 losses, while operating in the Nasovoye, Myasnikovo, Gorodok area. Can't precise where these areas are.
After making further checking I found that 611 ShAP (at the time still with 224 ShAD) lost Mld. Lt. Ivan Konstantinovich Matyukhin (Mia) in the Vetrino Novosel'e.
Can these losses be traced to Stotz's claim?

[kirche]

Originally Posted by @irnimal

Kirill, thank you again for the help.
So it is safe to say that of these 3 losses none was inflicted by Stotz.
i know that 224 ShAD had 3 losses, while operating in the Nasovoye, Myasnikovo, Gorodok area. Can't precise where these areas are.
After making further checking I found that 611 ShAP (at the time still with 224 ShAD) lost Mld. Lt. Ivan Konstantinovich Matyukhin (Mia) in the Vetrino Novosel'e.
Can these losses be traced to Stotz's claim?

Hello, Paulo
Nosovye (Носовые), Myasikovo (Мясиково), Gorodok (Городок) - This is closer to the place indicated by the German pilot. These are now defunct settlements northeast of Karmanovo 4-10 km (now the southern shore of the Yauza reservoir).
MIA 10.08.1942:
- ml. l-t Matyuhin I.K. (611 ShAP);
- s-t Slobodenko P.P. (611 ShAP);
- Cap. Domuschey N.K. (1 AE 571 ShAP) - hit by anti-aircraft artillery, made an emergency landing in the area of Novo-Aleksandrovskiye vyselki settlement, the pilot was slightly wounded, the plane is under repair.

Mission 611 SHAP - 14.15-15.30 Moscow time; 571 SHAP - there were two missions (the first started at 14.27, the second completed at 18.10).

[@irnimal]

Originally Posted by kirche

Hello, Paulo
Nosovye (Носовые), Myasikovo (Мясиково), Gorodok (Городок) - This is closer to the place indicated by the German pilot. These are now defunct settlements northeast of Karmanovo 4-10 km (now the southern shore of the Yauza reservoir).
MIA 10.08.1942:
- ml. l-t Matyuhin I.K. (611 ShAP);
- s-t Slobodenko P.P. (611 ShAP);
- Cap. Domuschey N.K. (1 AE 571 ShAP) - hit by anti-aircraft artillery, made an emergency landing in the area of Novo-Aleksandrovskiye vyselki settlement, the pilot was slightly wounded, the plane is under repair.

Mission 611 SHAP - 14.15-15.30 Moscow time; 571 SHAP - there were two missions (the first started at 14.27, the second completed at 18.10).

Thank you Kirill.

[Johannes]

Hi Guys

With Günther Schack his Leistungsbuch gives very accurate crash-sites, I would say no doubts about time or place with him, or witness. Also he seems not to include A.S.M claims in his total, unfortunately some of his 1945 claims are vague. But I was able to calculate his total as 171 confirmed.

I should think he was a honest claimer. Kind of went of the rails in the last years of his life.

Kind Regards

Johannes