Ta152 loss

[Reiner]

Hello
Since my last post in 2018, I have looked a little more closely at the events of April 14, 1945. I have read the ORB of the 486th sqdn and the combat reports. I have also read Cescottie's statements from the 1992 Jägerblatt, which are different in his 2012 book "Langstreckenflug", where he confirms Willi Reschke's report. Two weeks ago I was in Neustadt-Glewe and was able to determine where Josef Sattler died. This is not 8 km SW of Neustadt-Glewe as often reported, but about 10 km NW of Neustadt-Glewe. The air combat between Short/Mitchell and the two Ta152 where north of Ludwigslust, while Brooker and Shaw shot down a Fw190 10 miles (16 km) SE of Ludwigslust. Sattler and Mitchell were buried on April 16, 1945. Not side by side! Sattler was buried in the honorary section and Mitchell was buried as an "unknown Englishman" in the section where Russian prisoners were buried.
Rene

[stephen f. polyak]

Originally Posted by Reiner

Hello
Since my last post in 2018, I have looked a little more closely at the events of April 14, 1945. I have read the ORB of the 486th sqdn and the combat reports. I have also read Cescottie's statements from the 1992 Jägerblatt, which are different in his 2012 book "Langstreckenflug", where he confirms Willi Reschke's report. Two weeks ago I was in Neustadt-Glewe and was able to determine where Josef Sattler died. This is not 8 km SW of Neustadt-Glewe as often reported, but about 10 km NW of Neustadt-Glewe. The air combat between Short/Mitchell and the two Ta152 where north of Ludwigslust, while Brooker and Shaw shot down a Fw190 10 miles (16 km) SE of Ludwigslust. Sattler and Mitchell were buried on April 16, 1945. Not side by side! Sattler was buried in the honorary section and Mitchell was buried as an "unknown Englishman" in the section where Russian prisoners were buried.
Rene

Thanks for the follow-up

[Nick Beale]

If you don't already know it, I'd recommend Axel Urbanke's excellent article on Ta 152 operations in Luftwaffe im Focus No. 29.

[Reiner]

Hi Nick

Yes, I know the article from Luftwaffe in Focus. I wouldn't call the article excellent. Some things are new to me, others aren't. The map sketches are very bad. Sachau is west of Berlin and not south-west. I could name a few other things, but I don't want it. Another small example. In the same LiF page 2 and 3. Additions/corrections to Edition 17, photo L2. This non-commissioned officer is a radio operator and not a pilot. His radio operator badge is clearly visible. Now to April 14, 1945. This article is based entirely on Cescotti's statement in Jägerblatt 3/1992. That is wrong! In 2012, Cescotti confirmed Willi Reschke's statement in his book "Langstreckenflug". I don't want to say much about the individual passages, but I don't think Cescotti could see the air battle more than 10 km away from the ground. It is fairly flat land, with forests and the town is in between. The fact is that Sattler's crashsite is 10km NW of Neustadt Glewe. I was told where Sattler and Mitchell crashed, but I didn't have time to visit them in person. They are actually a few hundred meters apart. No, this April 14, 1945 near Ludwigslust was differently than it was portrayed in the LiF.
Rene

[Franek Grabowski]

Rene
Slightly off topic, are you particularly interested in the area Schwerin-Neustadt, or is it just a coincidence?
Franek

[Reiner]

Hello Franek
The Schwerin-Neustadt Glewe area is not my area. I have been searching and researching north and east of Berlin for more than 30 years. I am in Garlin several times a year and Kurt-Georg Skupina, killed in air combat on April 14, 1945, is buried there. This grave piqued my interest and so I carried out further research when I had time.
Rene

[Franek Grabowski]

Hello
Sorry for late response, but I got 500 return.
A pity, as I would really like to solve few issues from the area, and I think only a local person could answer questions.
NE Berlin you say, I may have few, rather really few questions, if you do not mind answering.
Cheers
Franek