Croatian Kampfgruppe

[Boris Ciglic]

Ju 88 lost on 24.5.43. belonged to Kampffliegerstaffel Kroatien, which was formed approximately in March 1943. It was renamed to Einsatzkampfgruppe Ju 88/General der Fliegerausbildungs(Eins.KGr.Ju 88/Gen.d.Fl.Ausb.)by the end of May 1943.

[Tomislav Haramincic]

Hvala Boris!

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by Boris Ciglic

Ju 88 lost on 24.5.43. belonged to Kampffliegerstaffel Kroatien, which was formed approximately in March 1943. It was renamed to Einsatzkampfgruppe Ju 88/General der Fliegerausbildungs(Eins.KGr.Ju 88/Gen.d.Fl.Ausb.)by the end of May 1943.

Lost from the same unit but apparently with German crews, not Croatians:

30.10.43 Ju 88 A-4, WNr. 0231, K5+AB
Lt. Glaser
Uffz. Kubeczka
Fw. Grimmeisen
Fw. Wienand

Ju 88 -4, WNr. 3932, K5+BL
Uffz. Grimmer
Uffz. Wähner
Obgfr. Heckmann
Uffz. Nusser

Fighters, west of Castelrosso

11.11.43 Ju 88 A-14, WNr. 4121
100%
Uffz. Karl Sperling F +
Gefr. Ernst Legerer B +
Fw. Helmut Müller Bf +
Uffz. Gustav Galley Bs + [corrected by hand: could be Jalley]

Absturz, Auschlagbrand, Fl.Pl. Eleusis

[C.Moeller]

Hello,

first I want to say thank you to Tomislav, Boris and Nick for all the interesting information.

The "Einsatzkampfgruppe or Kampfgruppe Ju 88/Gen.d.Fl.Ausb. (Chef AW)" under Luftwaffenkommando Südost was indeed put up by General der Fliegerausbildung (Chef Ausbildungswesen - Chef AW) with German personnel only. They mainly used Ju 88 and some Do 17, VKZ was K5+. The lossed Nick mentioned have been from this unit.
The earliest loss I have is the following: 9 June 1943, Do 17, Werknummer 2173, no combat, probably engine failure, crash 100% near Bradina, pilot Fw. Fritz Barthel and mechanic Uffz. Heinz Rennecke dead.

On 20 March 1943 the Einsatzbereitschaftsmeldungen (EBM; BA-MA RL 2 III-72x) note under "Chef AW": Einsatzstaffel Fliegerführer Kroatien with 12/8 Ju 88 and 9/8 He 46.
On 10 June 1943, "Chef AW": Einsatzstaffel Fliegerführer Luftwaffenstab Kroatien: 37/27 Ju 88 and 11/10 He 46, Stab with four Ju W.34 and one He 111.
Unfortunately, there is no information on the units of "Chef AW" in BA-MA RL 2 III-725, between 20.06. and 10.08.1943.


Boris, I have tried to reach you by e-mail, but the address I have is not valid anymore. It´s been a too long time since we had contact, nice to hear from you again, :-)!
Also to Nick: Meanwhile, you should have received a "snail-post" from me.


May main interest is the Croatian Schlachtstaffel.
Is it possible that some kind of Einsatzstaffel with Ju 87 and Fw 190 were sent to Lubien/Poland in July and August/September 1944? If not, the information in the German books must be totally wrong. Or the authors have mixed something.

Best wishes and merry Xmas,

Christian

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by C.Moeller

May main interest is the Croatian Schlachtstaffel.
Is it possible that some kind of Einsatzstaffel with Ju 87 and Fw 190 were sent to Lubien/Poland in July and August/September 1944? If not, the information in the German books must be totally wrong. Or the authors have mixed something.
Christian

So they take the Croatians away to operate in Poland or East Prussia, while in Croatia in Spring 1944 there are Luftwaffe Ju 87s (13./SG 151) and sometimes Fw 190s (I forget from which SG for the moment).

Confusing!

[Csaba B. Stenge]

Christian,

an e-mail was sent to you (not about the Croats, but about the German units - I hope, your address is still working).

Greetings,

Csaba