Any known Ar196 losses for 17-6-44 ?

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Seaplanes

With regard to WNr 7 or 07 there are far to many possibillities if we start up an Ar 96 theory....

The stated unit is a strange one. Can't find it in Rosch's book. The meaning of Flughafen is pretty straightforward but in connection with bereich, which in my dictionary means both area and jurisdiction, makes little sense. Does a unit dealing with Airport Jurisdiction or perhaps Airport Security sound like a meaningful translation? Anyone?

Whatever it was I have to agree it doesn't sound like my first choice for using an Ar 196...

Cheers
Stig

[Seaplanes]

The term Flughafenbereich means simply a number of airfields within a specific geographical area and under a common command.

[ju55dk]

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik

Thanks Seaplanes

With regard to WNr 7 or 07 there are far to many possibillities if we start up an Ar 96 theory....

The stated unit is a strange one. Can't find it in Rosch's book. The meaning of Flughafen is pretty straightforward but in connection with bereich, which in my dictionary means both area and jurisdiction, makes little sense. Does a unit dealing with Airport Jurisdiction or perhaps Airport Security sound like a meaningful translation? Anyone?

Whatever it was I have to agree it doesn't sound like my first choice for using an Ar 196...

Cheers
Stig

The Ar 96 theory seems to be a god choise. Flughafenbereich (Airfield Regional Command) I/IV did not have any seaplanebases! It was in Russia from 1942 to 44!
There are units missing in Rosche's book!!!

Junker

[Hans Mcilveen]

According to Avions 146 the loss of W.Nr. 007 took place in the "Baie de Kajild". I have not been able to find this exact location. According to Michael Holm Flughafen-Bereichs-Kommando 1/IV was based in Albania from 9.1943 to 12.1943 and administered the two seaplane bases at Kumbor (Montenegro) and Durres (Albania). Not a place for advanced training with the Ar 96 but also no known Ar 196 units based there.

[ju55dk]

Originally Posted by Hans Mcilveen

According to Avions 146 the loss of W.Nr. 007 took place in the "Baie de Kajild". I have not been able to find this exact location. According to Michael Holm Flughafen-Bereichs-Kommando 1/IV was based in Albania from 9.1943 to 12.1943 and administered the two seaplane bases at Kumbor (Montenegro) and Durres (Albania). Not a place for advanced training with the Ar 96 but also no known Ar 196 units based there.

Well we have a conflict with the area here. According to Kommandobehörden und Truppenteile der Luftwaffe 1 bis 10 the FHB 1/IV was stationed at Poltawa and Shitomir end 1943!! The aircraft wether a Ar 96 or 196 was not for training, but for liason within the FHB!

Junker

[Hans Mcilveen]

Hello Jörn,
just adding my piece to the puzzle. At the moment I have no way of verifying if Holm is correct regarding Albania. You could very well be correct, and the training bit was purely based on the main role the Ar 96 was used for. Perhaps the German spelling of the location in the actual loss record will help us further narrow it down.
Regards,
Hans

[ju55dk]

Originally Posted by Hans Mcilveen

Hello Jörn,
just adding my piece to the puzzle. At the moment I have no way of verifying if Holm is correct regarding Albania. You could very well be correct, and the training bit was purely based on the main role the Ar 96 was used for. Perhaps the German spelling of the location in the actual loss record will help us further narrow it down.
Regards,
Hans

I would love to see the exact location of this crash! Were does the information come from. I have tried, without luck to find it in the GQM-returns, both operational and schools???

Junker

[Hans Mcilveen]

Originally Posted by ju55dk

I would love to see the exact location of this crash! Were does the information come from. I have tried, without luck to find it in the GQM-returns, both operational and schools???

Junker

Apparently schools. I have only got the operational losses but Hümmelchen mentions it in his overview of school losses in "Die deutschen Seeflieger" on page 187. No place name here but he records the W.Nr. as 007.