What is a 109 G14 without MW 50?

[George Hopp]

In the "Baulosaufteilung Me 109 G lt. Programm v. 18.8.44" compiled at Regensburg on 4 Sept. 44, it stated that of the 2403 G14s being built, 835 would be G-14s, 200 would be G-14s without MW 50, and 1368 would be 109 G14 ASs.

So, what would a G-14 without MW 50 be, especially since the G-14 was simply a G-6 with a DB 605 AM engine and an MW 50 installation?

[harrison987]

Hi!

"G-14" was a term given to the G6 with MW50 but NOT necessarly with the AM engine...from what I recall. JaPo's book also states "G-14 is a G6 with MW50", but nothing referencing the engine type.

So...G-14 with NO MW50, most likely had the 605A engine?

...which of course would make it a regular G6...unless of course these 200 or so "G-14" birds were to have the most advanced features not common to all G6 (bigger rudder, longer tail wheel strut, erla haube, etc.)

Thoughts?

[Kurfürst]

IIRC Rasmussen said once that those G-14 sans MW50 were built with the purpose of becoming trainers...?

[yogybär]

So to say... a "G-14 w/o MW-50" is a late G-6 with the battery at the rear part of the cockpit ... and maybe some other standardizations of the G-14.

BTW: Thanks for the info on the division into different subtypes of G-14 ! Do you also have this for other factories?

[Harold Lake]

My vote would be for a standard G-14 but intended for some mission-dedicated model, e.g. photo-reconn (G-14/R2) where the MW tank might hinder access to a large camera.

Hal

[veltro]

Originally Posted by George Hopp

In the "Baulosaufteilung Me 109 G lt. Programm v. 18.8.44" compiled at Regensburg on 4 Sept. 44, it stated that of the 2403 G14s being built, 835 would be G-14s, 200 would be G-14s without MW 50, and 1368 would be 109 G14 ASs.

So, what would a G-14 without MW 50 be, especially since the G-14 was simply a G-6 with a DB 605 AM engine and an MW 50 installation?

Well, certainly those G-14s without MW 50 were built, especially by Erla, as proved by this document from Magg. Mario Bellagambi's (CO of 5s Sq. of 2° Gr. C. ANR) notebook, reporting the listing of Bf 109s of his unit and clearly indicating next to each one with MW 50 the abbreviation "met." for "metanolo" (methanol)...



It can be verified that all the G-14s of the listing belonging to the 4643xx and 4644xx batches were devoid of methanol injection. The same applies on a later listing with new arrivals (the complete document is included in our latest book on the ANR C&M published by Classic).

So, if the "Baulosaufteilung" report them as "G-14s without MW 50", why consider them differently?

[George Hopp]

Thank you all for your responses. I wonder, however, if the aircraft would still carry the more highly stressed DB 605AM engine, or would it revert to the DB 605A engine?

Again, thank you very much,
George

[Kurfürst]

What is an AM engine anyway? I tend to believe its just a regular DB 605A, with an M suffix to designate there are pipes and settings for MW50 boost. Or am I totally wrong..?

Can any of the DB experts shed light on the differences between A and AM perhaps?

[Norbert Schuchbauer]

It is indeed the only difference:
DB 605 A without WM injection 1475 HP.
DB 605 AM with WM injection 1800 HP.

Norbert

[Harold Lake]

Norbert is correct but there is one additional item. The AM engine required C3 fuel whereas the standard A-engine used B4 aviation fuel.

Hal