What is a 109 G14 without MW 50?

[Harold Lake]

Norbert is correct but there is one additional item. The AM engine required C3 fuel whereas the standard A-engine used B4 aviation fuel.

Hal

[George Hopp]

BTW: Thanks for the info on the division into different subtypes of G-14 ! Do you also have this for other factories?

Sorry, Yogybar, but even this one I found only by accident.

My vote would be for a standard G-14 but intended for some mission-dedicated model, e.g. photo-reconn (G-14/R2) where the MW tank might hinder access to a large camera.

Hal

The camera on the 109 strategic recce aircraft was directly behind the fuselage fuel tank, and ahead of any MW-50 tank. And since access to the camera was through the rear of the cockpit, the MW tank would not have reduced access to the camera.

...which of course would make it a regular G6...unless of course these 200 or so "G-14" birds were to have the most advanced features not common to all G6 (bigger rudder, longer tail wheel strut, erla haube, etc.)

Didn't the G-6 also get the bigger rudder, longer tail wheel strut, Erla haube, etc.

Slightly off topic, here are a couple of photos, from Prien's JG 1 and 11, Volume 2, Page 1081, of the first G-14 captured. As I said at the beginning of this thread, the early G-14s were simply upgraded G-6s; and you'll notice that Prien calls the aircraft a G-6, but the RAF got the type off the manufacturer's plaque that showed it to be a G-14. And it still has the G-6's short strut tail wheel and small rudder, and I think it had an Erla haube, although it was not recovered.

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by George Hopp

... the RAF got the type off the manufacturer's plaque that showed it to be a G-14.

Good point! I suspect that the answer to the original question might be "whatever it said on the plate" or "whatever Messerschmitt sold it as." Alternatively: "whatever the RLM signed for the delivery of."

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by George Hopp

Slightly off topic, here are a couple of photos, from Prien's JG 1 and 11, Volume 2, Page 1081, of the first G-14 captured. As I said at the beginning of this thread, the early G-14s were simply upgraded G-6s; and you'll notice that Prien calls the aircraft a G-6, but the RAF got the type off the manufacturer's plaque that showed it to be a G-14. And it still has the G-6's short strut tail wheel and small rudder, and I think it had an Erla haube, although it was not recovered.

Prien calls the a/c a G-6 because the loss was reported as G-6 IIRC and the producer - Erla Leipzig - the a/c sold as G-6. The first designation of the G-14's was "G-6 MW 50".

Best wishes
Rasmussen

[yogybär]

Originally Posted by Harold Lake

...The AM engine required C3 fuel whereas the standard A-engine used B4 aviation fuel...

Are you sure? I thought only the DB605AS-engines needed C3...

Apart from that, my personal feeling is that there were dozens of different versions of any subseries of the G (and K).
Imagine the situation in the factory: They surely used up i.e. stocks of "old" tailwheels for the G-10, although the G-10 was meant to have the "new" high tailwheel... similar is valid for the rudder and other components as long as there is no incompatibility.

[Harold Lake]

Yogybar,

[quote=yogybär;71078]Are you sure? I thought only the DB605AS-engines needed C3...]


According to DB engine specs, the standard "AS" took B4 whereas the "ASM" used C3...

Hal