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18/12 - Bf109s on eBay

Hi there,

1. http://cgi.ebay.de/Me-109-Staffelabz...item4aa7318eb6
5./JG54
2. http://cgi.ebay.de/Me-109-Staffelabz...item4aa731a97b
3. http://cgi.ebay.de/Bruchgelandete-Me...item4aa731b047
7./JG54, Günther Scholz, Luga...
4. http://cgi.ebay.de/Me-109-Staffelabz...item4aa7319fad
JG54 big BOSS! (2 pictures)
5. http://cgi.ebay.de/Me-109-Jagdfliege...item4aa731b3c3
JG54 too; "What Else"? (2 pictures too) a Bf109F, typical yellowband under the cross; What's the number colour?

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for "Schwarze 7" see here: http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=4818
for #5 number colour see here:
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...oto=nextnewest interesting, isn't it? I didn't know that until 30' ago... Things take another dimension.

Cheers, Franck.
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The only time that 7./JG 54 seems to have used 'off-color' codes would appear to be during the winter months of 42 and 43, probably so said code would stand out against the white winter camouflage? Unfortunately there only seems to be 4 examples where these 'off-color' were reported.

12-Feb-42, , Bf 109F-2, 8190, Biermann, Ogefr. Herbert, , III., 7., JG 54, braune, 10 + ^^, VD+AE, , 12-Feb-42, Injured in Bruchlandung due to pilot error., 'blaue 10'?, Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #5)-Vol.8; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.1, p.254; Rosipal, JG 54 loss list, , Fl.Pl. Siwerskaja, 40%, F,
12-Feb-42, , Bf 109F-2, 12635, Brechtl, Uffz. Josef, 27, III., 7., JG 54, , , TJ+EY, , 12-Feb-42, Notlandung due to enemy groundfire during Tiefangriff., WNr. 12633 per loss - dup with earlier loss., Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #5)-Vol.8; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.1, p.254; Rosipal, JG 54 loss list, , bei Tschudowo, 20%, F,
04-Mar-42, , Bf 109F-2, 9644, Kätzler, Ltn. Horst, , III., 7., JG 54, , , TW+WJ, , 04-Mar-42, KIA due to Flak. Plane broke up in a dive., , Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #5)-Vol.8; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.1, p.254; Rosipal, JG 54 loss list, , Malaja Wischera, 100%, F,
06-Mar-42, , Bf 109F-4, , Halfmann, Uffz. Johann, 11, III., 7., JG 54, weiße, 7+^^, , , 06-Mar-42, Bruchlandung due to pilot error. Kopfstand., , Ostfront, Rosipal, JG 54 loss list, , Fl.Pl. Siwerskaja, 30%, F,
06-Mar-42, , Bf 109F-4, , Stöber, Fw. Kurt, 36, III., 7., JG 54, , , , , 06-Mar-42, Bruchlandung due to pilot error. Kopfstand., , Ostfront, Rosipal, JG 54 loss list, , Fl.Pl. Siwerskaja, 20%, F,
14-Mar-42, , Bf 109F-4, 7639, Lengwenings, Gefr. Eduard, , III., 7., JG 54, , , , , 14-Mar-42, Bauchlandung due to Flak., , Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #5)-Vol.8; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.1, p.254; Rosipal, JG 54 loss list, , Fl.Pl. Ljuban, 60%, F,
16-Mar-42, , Bf 109F-2, 9651, Zilken, Oblt. Helmut, 13, III., 7., JG 54, schwarzes, << + ^^, TW+WQ, , 16-Mar-42, KIA due to Luftkampf., , Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #5)-Vol.8; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.1, p.254; Rosipal, JG 54 loss list, , Mjasnojbor, 3km westlich Tigoda, 100%, F,
22-Mar-42, , Bf 109F-4, 7645, Mey, Fw. Arthur, , III., 7., JG 54, blaue, 11 + ^^, , , 22-Mar-42, MIA due to Luftkampf., 'braune 11' per Prien., Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #5)-Vol.8; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.1, p.254; Rosipal, JG 54 loss list, , (Wolchow), 100%, F,
05-Apr-42, , Bf 109F-4, 13035, Lengwenings, Gefr. Eduard, , III., 7., JG 54, , , RE+II, , 05-Apr-42, Notlandung due to Luftkampf with I-18., , Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #5)-Vol.8; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.1, p.255; Menke, SKZ list, , bei Nowgorod, 25%, F,
06-Apr-42, , Bf 109F-4, 13042, Erlenkämper, Uffz. Friedrich, , III., 7., JG 54, , , RE+IP, , 06-Apr-42, Notlandung due to engine trouble., , Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #5)-Vol.8; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.1, p.255; Menke, SKZ list, , bei Tschudowo, 25%, F,
26-Apr-42, , Bf 109F-4, 7465, Hofe, Oblt. Werner Pichon Kalau vom, 22, III., 7., JG 54, weiße, 1 + ^^, , , 26-Apr-42, Stkp. Reported lost after Notlandung due to Flak. F returned 28-Apr., bei Tolsstowa per loss., Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #5)-Vol.8; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.1, p.255; Rosipal, JG 54 loss list, , Finew Lug, 100%, F,
27-Apr-42, , Bf 109F-4, 13042, Lengwenings, Gefr. Eduard, , III., 7., JG 54, , , RE+IP, , 27-Apr-42, Injured due to take-off accident. Overturned., , Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #5)-Vol.8; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.1, p.255; Menke, SKZ list, , Fl.Pl. Siwerskaja, 95%, F,
02-May-42, , Bf 109F-4, , Hofe, Oblt. Werner Pichon Kalau vom, , III., 7., JG 54, weiße, 1 + ^^, , , 02-May-42, Stkp. Notlandung due to engine damage., , Ostfront, Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.231, , Siwerskaja, b, F,
08-May-42, , Bf 109F-4, 13111, Raimann, Uffz. Gerhard, 15, III., 7., JG 54, weiße, 5 + ^^, , 4 abschu§balken; Grünherz, III gruppe badge; NO 7. staffel badge, 08-May-42, Bruchlandung due to Flak., Flak-shattered starboard tail., Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.9Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.231; Markierungen & Tarnanstriche Vol.2, p.37 photo; Philpott, FDTR p.90/91 photo, Feist, Fighting 109, p.30, 91 photos; van Ishoven, Bf109 at War, p.144 photo, Fl.Pl. Siwerskaja, 10%, F,
13-May-42, , Bf 109F-4, 7638, Schubert, Uffz. Johannes, , III., 7., JG 54, , , , , 13-May-42, Take-off accident., , Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.9; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.231, , Fl.Pl. Siwerskaja, 65%, F,
15-May-42, , Bf 109F-4, 13107, Biermann, Uffz. Herbert, , III., 7., JG 54, , , , , 15-May-42, Taxiing accident., Take-off accident per loss., Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.9; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.231, , Fl.Pl. Ljuban, 25%, F,
30-May-42, , Bf 109F-4, 7516, n.n., , III., 7., JG 54, weiße, 6 + ^^, DR+YJ, , 30-May-42, Notlandung due to engine damage., Is this Brechtl's plane?, Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.9; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.231; Rosipal, JG 54 loss list; Falcon photo, , Tschudowo-Nowgorod, 40%, F,
04-Jun-42, , Bf 109F-4, 7517, n.n., , III., 7., JG 54, , , DR+YK, , 04-Jun-42, Flak. Bauchlandung., 1-Jun per per loss., Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.9; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.231; Rosipal, JG 54 loss list, , 'Erikaschneise', 35%, F,
11-Jun-42, , Bf 109F-4, 13143, KEMPF, Ofw. Karl, 65, III., 7., JG 54, , , SK+MQ*, , 11-Jun-42, Notlandung due to Flak., WNr. 13154 per loss., Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.9; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.231; Rosipal, JG 54 loss list, , 15km nördlich Nowgorod, 95%, F,
26-Jun-42, , Bf 109F-4/R1, 13059, Hofe, Oblt. Werner Pichon Kalau vom, , III., 7., JG 54, schwarzes, <| + ┤>, , , 26-Jun-42, Stkp. Bruchlandung due to severe ground conditions., , Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.9; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.231, , Fl.Pl. Kotly, 80%, H,
05-Jul-42, , Bf 109F-4, , Hofe, Oblt. Werner Pichon Kalau vom, , III., 7., JG 54, weiße, 3 + ^^, , , 05-Jul-42, Stkp. Notlandung due to engine damage., , Ostfront, Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.231, , Ljuban, <10%, F,
06-Aug-42, , Bf 109G-2, 10418, n.n., , III., 7., JG 54, , , , , 06-Aug-42, Taxied into another aircraft (less than 10% damaged)., , Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.10; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.232, , Rjelbitzi, 45%, H,
01-Sep-42, , Bf 109G-2, 10429, Kutzner, Oblt. Wolf, , III., 7., JG 54, , , , , 01-Sep-42, WIA due to Flak near Oranienbaum., Finnischer Meerbusen per loss., Lw.Kdo.Ost/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.12; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.233, , Fl.Pl. Siwerskaja, 25%, F,
03-Sep-42, , Bf 109G-2, 10430, Langwenings, Gefr. Eduard, , III., 7., JG 54, weiße, 6 + ^^, , , 03-Sep-42, KIA due to midair collision Ju 88A-14 WNr. 144037 from KG 1 of Ges.Kom. KEPPLER., , Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.12; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.233; Rosipal, JG 54 loss list, , bei Ssisgolowo, nordöstlich Mga, 100%, F,
06-Sep-42, , Bf 109G-2, 10416, Raimann, Uffz. Gerhard, 15, III., 7., JG 54, , , , , 06-Sep-42, WIA due to Luftkampf with MiG-3 near Schum. Notlandung., bei Mischkino per loss., Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.12; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.233; Rosipal, JG 54 loss list, , bei Sologurbowka, 50%, F,
09-Sep-42, , Bf 109G-2, 10439, Wübke, Oblt. Waldemar, 15~, III., 7., JG 54, weiße, 1 + ^^, , , 09-Sep-42, Stfhr. WIA due to Luftkampf with MiG-3. Bruchlandung., WNr. 10438 - a dup - per loss., Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #9)-Vol.16; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.233, , Fl.Pl. Mga, 15%, F,
12-Sep-42, , Bf 109G-2, 10421, Würtz, Uffz. Wilhelm, , III., 7., JG 54, , , , , 12-Sep-42, Injured in Bruchlandung due to Luftkampf with Pe-2., , Lw.Kdo.Ost/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.12; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.233; Rosipal, JG 54 loss list, , 10km östlich Fl.Pl. Mga, 30%, F,
20-Sep-42, , Bf 109G-2, 10427, Brechtl, Fw. Josef, , III., 7., JG 54, , , , , 20-Sep-42, Collision while taxiing with Bf 109G-2 WNr. 10412., , Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #9)-Vol.16; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.234, , Fl.Pl. Mga, 30%, F,
20-Sep-42, , Bf 109G-2, 10412, Erlenkämper, Uffz. Friedrich, , III., 7., JG 54, weiße, 7 + ^^, , , 20-Sep-42, Collision while taxiing with Bf 109G-2 WNr. 10427., , Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #9)-Vol.16; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.234, , Fl.Pl. Mga, 50%, F,
01-Oct-42, , Bf 109G-2, 13769, n.n., , III., 7., JG 54, , , , , 01-Oct-42, Notlandung due to Flak., , Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #9)-Vol.16; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.234, , Siwerskaja, 10%, F,
04-Oct-42, , Bf 109G-2, 10423, n.n., , III., 7., JG 54, weiße, 10 + ^^, , , 04-Oct-42, Notlandung due to Luftkampf., , Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #9)-Vol.16; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.234, , Siwerskaja, 10%, F,
06-Nov-42, , Bf 109G-2, 10420, RUPP, Ltn. Friedrich, 52, III., 7., JG 54, , , , , 06-Nov-42, Bauchlandung due to Luftkampf with P-39s., RK., Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.12; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.234; Rosipal, JG 54 loss list, , bei Beresnonuessa (?), 20%, F,
16-Dec-42, 08.15, Bf 109G-2, 10415, Aschenbach, Gefr. Heinrich, , III., 7., JG 54, weiße, 4 + ^^, , , 16-Dec-42, KIA due to Luftkampf with about 30 LaGG-3s., , Lw.Kdo.Ost/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.12; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.235; Rosipal, JG 54 loss list, , 5km westlich Welikije-Luki, 100%, F,
04-Jan-43, , Bf 109G-2, 13756, Bleck, Uffz. Alfred, , III., 7., JG 54, , , , , 04-Jan-43, Killed in FSA due to Luftkampf. Hit tail., Killed in crash per Prien., Lw.Kdo.Ost/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.13; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.235; Rosipal, JG 54 loss list, , 5km südlich Newel, 100%, H,
06-Jan-43, 07.50, Bf 109G-2, 13666, Brechtl, Fw. Josef, 27, III., 7., JG 54, blaue, 2 + ^^, , , 06-Jan-43, MIA due to Luftkampf with Il-2., , Lw.Kdo.Ost/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.13; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.235, , 5km südlich Welikije-Luki, 100%, F,
14-Jan-43, , Bf 109G-2, 13799, n.n., , III., 7., JG 54, , , , , 14-Jan-43, Bauchlandung due to engine damage., , Lw.Kdo.Ost/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.13; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.235, , PlQu. 07 722, 80%, F,
15-Jan-43, , Bf 109G-2, 10439, Doege, Ltn. Alfred, , III., 7., JG 54, blaue, 1 + ^^, , , 15-Jan-43, KIA due to Luftkampf with enemy fighters., WNr. 10423 'blaue 10' per loss. Wreck found in 2000?, Lw.Kdo.Ost/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.13; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.235; Rosipal, JG 54 loss list, , Welikije-Luki, 100%, F,
15-Jan-43, , Bf 109G-2, 10423, Stöber, Fw. Kurt, 36, III., 7., JG 54, blaue, 10 + ^^, , blue nos. used at this time by 7./JG 54., 15-Jan-43, POW due to Luftkampf with enemy fighters. Bauchlandung., DKiG. WNr. 10438 'blaue 1' per loss. FSA?, Lw.Kdo.Ost/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.13; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.235; Rosipal, JG 54 loss list, , Raum Welikije-Luki, 100%, F,
16-Jan-43, , Bf 109G-2, 13771, n.n., , III., 7., JG 54, , , , , 16-Jan-43, Notlandung due to enemy fire., , Lw.Kdo.Ost/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.13; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.236, , PlQu. 77 44, 55%, F,
18-Jan-43, , Bf 109G-2, 13801, Billeter, Uffz. Emil, , III., 7., JG 54, , , , , 18-Jan-43, Taxiing accident., , Lw.Kdo.Ost/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.13; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.236; Rosipal, JG 54 loss list, , Fl.Pl. Isotscha, 60%, F,
17-Feb-43, , Bf 109G-4, 16099, Waller, Oblt. Fritz, , III., 7., JG 54, weiße, 8 + ^^, SO+KU, , 17-Feb-43, Notlandung due to engine damage., 'gelbe 11' per loss?, Lfl.3/Eins.Westen, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.14; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, X.4, p.623; Rosipal, JG 54 loss list, , bei Dünkirchen, 15%, F,
26-Feb-43, , Bf 109G-4, 16153, Twelkemeyer, Uffz. Erich, , III., 7., JG 54, weiße, 7 + ^^, PE+KW, , 26-Feb-43, KIA due to Luftkampf., Uffz. Wilkemeier per loss?, Lfl.3/Eins.Westen, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.14; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, X.4, p.623; Rosipal, JG 54 loss list, , Hucqueliers/Mamighem, östlich Boulogne, 100%, F,
12-Mar-43, , Bf 109G-4, 16098, n.n., , III., 7., JG 54, weiße, 10 + ^^, SO+KT, , 12-Mar-43, Notlandung due to engine trouble., Bauchlandung due to engine damage per Prien, et al., Lfl.3/Eins.Westen, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #9)-Vol.15; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, X.4, p.623, , bei St. Pol, 15%, F,
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Re: 18/12 - Bf109s on eBay

Hi Thenelm,

Thank you for the comment and the "small detail"...
It happens I'm unable to decide me for a color in the case of picture #5:
Seems too much clear for Red and Yellow outlined in white????
An Erg.Gr. with green number then???

Regards, Have a nice day. Franck.
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