55. IAP and 67. IAP on 22.06.1941 on the web

[Mirek Wawrzynski]

In 2014 have been released two very interesting texts done by Mikhail Timin from Moscow (Russia). Both relate to the first day of the war in the air (on 22.06.1941) fought by Soviet fighter regiments. Autor released two texts on the web in the Russian language.

For the first time been deeply and comprehensively presented stories of battles fought by the pilots from the 55th and 67th IAP IAP (South Front / Odessa Military District). Author corrects and clarifies a number of hitherto unknown facts related to the first day of Barbarossa and the Russians fighting against the flyers of Fliegerkorps IV and the Romanian aviation (ARR).
Author during the writing of texts extensive use of Russian state archives.

Past studies devoted to the description of events 22 June 1941 contain a number of factual errors, eg. publications done by Christer Bergstrom and Denes Bernard & Dymitryji Karlenko. Sometimes, these authors write in the works of historical fiction, which has nothing to do with what actually happened on June 22, 1941.

Story about 67. IAP on 22.06.1941 (Половникмедавбочкедегтяили 67 ИАПвбоях 22 июня 1941 года)

http://forum.aviaskins.com/showthread.php?t=3772

Story about 55. IAP on 22.06.1941 (55 ИАПвнебеМолдавии 22 июня 1941 года)

http://forum.aviaskins.com/showthread.php?t=3677

[Martin V]

Many thanks for the links, much appreciated.
BR.Martin

[Mirek Wawrzynski]

BTW

Small correction, full titles in Russsia are:

Половник меда в бочке дегтя или 67 ИАП в боях 22 июня 1941 года

and

55 ИАП в небе Молдавии 22 июня 1941 года

mw

Text 100 % in Russsia, but it is small problem I suppose?

[John Beaman]

Past studies devoted to the description of events 22 June 1941 contain a number of factual errors, eg. publications done by Christer Bergstrom and Denes Bernard & Dymitryji Karlenko. Sometimes, these authors write in the works of historical fiction, which has nothing to do with what actually happened on June 22, 1941

Mirek: Great news about the books. However I would not say that Denes Bernard & Dymitryji Karlenko are writing "fiction".

They worked with what they had. Be kind.

[Dénes Bernád]

Originally Posted by John Beaman

...I would not say that Denes Bernard & Dymitryji Karlenko are writing "fiction".

They worked with what they had. Be kind.

Off topic (but must be said). Unfortunately, it's a returning pattern that Mirek Wawrzynski is attacking me personally on various forums, accusing me of numerous things, which are useless to be repeated here.
I am asking the moderators to keep a close eye on this thread, so it would not go off hand. Thank you.

[Mirek Wawrzynski]

To John

Mirek: Great news about the books. However I would not say that Denes Bernard & Dymitryji Karlenko are writing "fiction".

When I say it I 100% know what I have said, and susatain. Of coures both authors done good job many interesting facts, but I have seen in several sentences are writing pure historical fiction, and mumbo-jumbo. You may not see them but I see and know (concerning 22.06.1941 and earlier).

Of course maga mubo-jumbo are in Ch.B.'s books about Barbarosas but it is off topics too, waste of time.

mw
PS

Or someone makes a solid and reliable job, or not. If someone writes in several places obvious nonsense it is not robust work.

[Mirek Wawrzynski]

2 B.D.

Off topic (but must be said). Unfortunately, it's a returning pattern that Mirek Wawrzynski is attacking me personally on various forums, accusing me of numerous things, which are useless to be repeated here.
I am asking the moderators to keep a close eye on this thread, so it would not go off hand. Thank you.

It is understood that one's ego can be as big as a balloon. Someone may be sensitive to a young and timid virgin. In total, little I care!

It is not none attack persoanlny only show that someone in their work sometimes writes evident nonsense. It did not want to be that person accept that it's his business.

Or is a responsible and credible or not?

See the link

http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=6886


There are several examples of mumbo-jumbo done by B.D.,

Regards,

mw
I propose to close this discution - total waste of time.

[John Beaman]

Mireck:

Please desist from posting comments about people's sensitivity, motives, etc. This is not web site for judgments about people's personality, etc. Stay with facts and sources.

If you do not, consequences will follow.

[Mirek Wawrzynski]

John,
I can say again

I propose to close this discution - total waste of time.

Regards,
mw

[Jukka Juutinen]

Interestingly, neither in this thread or in the linked one does Mirek provide any sources beyond "Mirek says so". Surely Mirek can provide source noting that meets proper scientific standards...Or can he?