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Info about Me 262A-2a, W.Nr.110836
Can somebody give me additional info - esp. about the original markings of Me 262A-2a W.Nr.110836 "Black L", formerly from I./KG 51, captured intact belonging to JV 44. Numbered "777" of "Watson´s Whizzers", named "Doris", afterwards "Jabo Bait", ferried to the US and registrated as FE-110.
I´m particularly interested in the colour of nose and fin tip and the position of letter "L" on the port side ( + L or L +) Any additional info about camouflage and final fate would be helpful, too. Thanks in advance Roland |
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Re: Info about Me 262A-2a, W.Nr.110836
Hi Roland...
To paraphrase from the excellent "Me262, The Production Log 1941-45" by Dan O'Connell [Classic, 2005]:
Cheers Peter D Evans LEMB Administrator |
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Re: Info about Me 262A-2a, W.Nr.110836
Thanks Peter for confirming the complete code 9K + LK with "L" in black - this puts this 262 into direct relationship to 9K + XK captured at Fassberg and still in its original markings in Australia.
Having two profiles to choose from (black "L", black fin tip and black nose - red "L", red fin tip and red nose) it seems like a mixture of those two proposals should be correct with the code "L +" at the port side (like black "X"). The only photo known to me does not show the complete code with the 9K Geschwaderkennung. As far as I can remember it has been Hauptmann Rudolf Abrahamczik who flew in "black L" from Saaz (Zatec). Or was it Leutnant Häffner who couldn´t retract the undercarriage during the flight? It seems more probable to me that Watson used an undamaged 262 for the ferry flight to Melun - any opinions or info? Thanks in advance Roland |
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Re: Info about Me 262A-2a, W.Nr.110836
Hi again Roland...
Smith & Creek's "Me262, Volume 4" includes two colour profiles of WNr.110836. The first is coded black +L with a black nose, black fin tip and small black L on the nose-wheel undercarriage door. The second profile depicts it after transfer to Watson's Whizzers and shows it with a red nose, blue star'n'bar and 777 in small white lettering under the elevator... "Me262, The Production Log 1941-45" says that 9K+LK was flown by Hptm.Rudolf Abrahamczik of 2./KG51 from Saaz to Munchen-Riem and there is no mention of undercarriage retraction difficulties. Once surrendered "777" was used by Lt.William V Haynes and I would guess that it was he who transferred her to Cherbourg. According to "War Prizes", once in the US, Col Watson was to fly her on 29th Sept 1945 during a display for the Institute of Aeronautical Sciences at Freeman Field. Cheers Peter D Evans LEMB Administrator |
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Re: Info about Me 262A-2a, W.Nr.110836
I'll throw in here that many of Watson's aircraft were given a red nose, red tip to the fin and red windscreen framing sometime after capture. I've never heard a good reason for this, except that perhaps someone thought this looked really cool......
Paul |
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Re: Info about Me 262A-2a, W.Nr.110836
Thanks again for all your information
First now it is clear to me how "Black L" is supposed to look like and Second I know now which books I have to set on my wishlist. And concerning US colouring of captured axis planes I´ve seen paint schemes compared to those the Doras from JV´s Papageienstaffel look as boring as the phonebook of Vladivostok... Cheers Roland |
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